brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I don't think the LDs would even precipitate a VoC if free of the coalition...I think the tories could bumble through the rest of the fag end of the administration's legislation without them.
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I don't think the LDs would even precipitate a VoC if free of the coalition...I think the tories could bumble through the rest of the fag end of the administration's legislation without them.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
could be right I suppose, depends if they value the next years salary more than the possibility of being able to at least go into the election trying to make out that they'd brought the government down.
I suspect Clegg would resign / get kicked out, then they'd have to have a leadership contest which'd take a few months... unless clegg played it clever and called the vote of no confidence before the party could kick him out, then they'd pretty much be stuck with him til the election.
But it wouldn't just be the lib dems, any of the parties could call for the no confidence vote, then the lib dems would have to decide whether to support the party that had just kicked them out or not.
High risk strategy anyway, so probably won;t happen as they're mostly spineless cunts.
taffboy gwyrdd
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I doubt very much they'll ditch Clegg before the GE. They've had plenty of time up till now.
A big risk is that his replacement would could be out on their arse next year and they'd end up with 3 leaders in 12 months, adding to the general laughing stock.
Cable and Beaker are both fundamentally weak. Cable sold off Royal Mail to spivs on a "gentlemans agreement", putting someone that naive in charge of the party would be barking.
Beaker is charmless and was in charge of the coalition negotiations, where they had rings run round them, so ditto.
Teather might be less catastrophic but she's already said she's going. The field is pitifully small.
A big risk is that his replacement would could be out on their arse next year and they'd end up with 3 leaders in 12 months, adding to the general laughing stock.
Cable and Beaker are both fundamentally weak. Cable sold off Royal Mail to spivs on a "gentlemans agreement", putting someone that naive in charge of the party would be barking.
Beaker is charmless and was in charge of the coalition negotiations, where they had rings run round them, so ditto.
Teather might be less catastrophic but she's already said she's going. The field is pitifully small.
butchersapron
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These polls aren't cheap either, that someone within the lib dems decided to pay for one suggests preparing the ground for a challenge, building the case. I doubt this was just a let's have a look shall we situation.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
'South West heartlands' lol - they even believed that for years. Newsflash - many in the West Country were only ever voting for you because they dislike Tories and you were the only viable alternative. Deliver a Tory government and see what your 'heartland' thinks of that.
You divs
Yes "South West heartlands lol", see also "celtic fringe heartlands lol" - they got 3.9% in Wales (down two thirds) and came 6th in Scotland.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Lembit on R5 calling for Clegg to resign as party leader yet remain ("Gladstone-like") as DPM.
There's more chance of an asteroid hitting Lembit Opik than that happening, I reckon.
butchersapron
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Nah, once it's out in one way or another - like this - they have two days to release the data. And as i type this, they've just released it - without the name of the client. That will be chased up.
butchersapron
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I shall keep an eye on that lib-dem poll client thing - meanwhile it really has set the cat amongst the lib-dem pigeons. Cleggers claiming it's part of a two month long plan to get rid of him, and the plan included cablers not doing any election work, or saying they would then forgetting to do it, leading to the pitiful results (yes, even more self-delusion). Frankly, civil war is far far better than clegg just going and not having to face the music.
butchersapron
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More on Hallam - it appears the tories didn't put candidates in the two of the five wards they do best in in the Hallam Constituency, but managed to put up others in seats across the city that they regularly get hammered in. Which suggests the tories plan to prop up Clegg as best they can.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Interesting...and pretty desperate...especially at a time when Cameron is manically fending off questions of pacts to do just that.
King Biscuit Time
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I cannot imagine the Sheffield Conservative Association has more than about 100 members - And they haven't had a single Cllr on in the city for years- so I can completely believe they wouldn't bother fielding candidates in all wards - but it is slightly fishey that they skipped certain wards in the Hallam constituency. Mind you - they put up a candidate against an incumbent Lib Dem in my Ward in Hallam (Ecclesall), but didn't put one up in Hillsborough (not in Hallam). I doubt this will have come down from Central Office tbh - probably just a deep seated hatred for Labour and not wanting to give them any help at all towards an upset.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Telegraph are piling in on the polling story... I'm now beginning to think that Cable may well have deliberately placed himself in China this week precisely to 'distance' himself from Oakeshott's scheming and present as the 'loyal' minister/"Prince over the water" simultaneously.
butchersapron
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The lib-dem suggesting this reckons the two wards they skipped in hallam are the only two they have ever made any progress in and they managed to put up 20 out of 23 in all other seats across the city. That is well sus. I don't thinkClegg is beyond putting pressure on Cameron to put pressure on the local assoc to do this. That's the way to look at it, as coming from the lib-dems not from the tories i think.
butchersapron
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Hemming has now said it 100% wasn't him. So finger pointing clearly at Oakshotte for Cable now.
King Biscuit Time
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So what's in it for Clegg? He might have saved himself one or two councillors on the City Council (including the Lib Dem group leader) this time, but there has to a be a tory on the GE2015 paper. Do you think he just needs to keep a few party stalwarts happy so he's got someone to campaign for him next year?
butchersapron
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Well, the longer plan would be to remove tories from the doorstep in 2015, cut down on election lit and just scale back operations - whilst lib-dem flood into save the queen. And that's the basic sort of politics that does win votes, does get a certain % of the vote out. So combined tories not doing it and lib-dems doing it helps clegg - maybe helps him over the line.
butchersapron
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Fantastic, they've bit - Clegg's office are now demanding the name of the ICM poll client. It's war!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
excellent- maybe they will eat themselves and implode before the GE. I know you mentioned that anyone with political nous doesn't do this a year before a GE, but then...its the lib dems.
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