Who will win the 2024 US election?

[Plumdaff]

Plus, liberals will likely blame victims of liberalism, black men, Arab Americans, young people etc for this result rather than change course.

 

[cupid_stunt]

So, those swing states so far, and number of electoral votes-

• Georgia – Trump GAIN - 16
• North Carolina – Trump win - 16
• Pennsylvania – Trump GAIN - 19
• Michigan – 82% counted - Trump 52.6% - Harris 45.6% - 15
• Nevada – 93% counted - Trump 51.4% - Harris 46.9% - 6
• Wisconsin – 95% counted - Trump 50.9% - Harris 47.4% - 10
• Arizona – 55% counted - Trump 50.5% - Harris 48.6% - 11

NBC/Sky are still saying those last four are too close to call, but well.

 

[tommers]

Fucks sake. Stupid pricks.

 

[Rompipalle]

 

[Lord Camomile]

Yup, listening to him meander on and on this morning it's hard to understand how people voted for this total knob but there you go....i hope they don't live to regret it (but loads of them probably will)...i still find it hard to get my head round the fact that this is the best they can do....do they get what they deserve or deserve what they get ? I fear for the women and girls of the US as some states seem to be hell bent on making The Handmaids Tale a reality and can't see his election will help. The world appears to becoming more and more unstable, will this result help ?

Yeah, I'm finding it particularly hard to comprehend after his last go around.

But... if we are to do anything to stop him and the overall trend, we have to understand it. Sure, we can simply dismiss them as stupid, say "fuck 'em", but I honestly don't see how that gets us anywhere but more here. I'm not saying we have to make friends with everyone, but just like any problem, you've got little chance of fixing a situation, and far more chance of making it worse, if you don't understand it first.

 

[Yossarian]

I fear for the women and girls of the US as some states seem to be hell bent on making The Handmaids Tale a reality and can't see his election will help. The world appears to becoming more and more unstable, will this result help ?

Yeah, I wrongly predicted that Kamala Harris would win because of outrage at all the Handmaid's Tale shit his first term opened the door to, but Trump apparently managed to win a lot of votes by denouncing some abortion bans his Supreme Court appointees enabled as too strict - in states like Florida and Missouri, majorities voted in favour of abortion rights but Trump still won

 

[Lord Camomile]

Trump apparently managed to win a lot of votes by denouncing some abortion bans his Supreme Court appointees enabled as too strict - in states like Florida and Missouri, majorities voted in favour of abortion rights but Trump still won

And we'll have to wait and see how that plays out for them...

 

[krtek a houby]

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It's racist to assume that POC are some kind of monolithic bloc that vote for someone like Harris because of the colour of her skin.

Feckin liberals.

 

[Plumdaff]

There's certainly something psychological, some desperate hitting out of a fading super power stuck in a nonsense of regaining percieved past glory. If that takes a strong man so be it. It's not people voting in their rational self interest.

I don't see how the left or even the centre wins unless it regains a sense of the class winning together, of solidarity.

 

[johnwesley]

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[Yossarian]

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I don't think it's unbelievable that some Black men would choose to vote against a Black woman, tbf, are a majority of Black men going to vote for Kemi Badenoch's party if she's still the Conservative leader at the next GE? Hispanics aren't a monolithic bloc either, I doubt the Tejanos whose families have been in the US for centuries or the conservative Cuban Americans in Florida feel much kinship with newly arrived refugees from El Salvador or Honduras

 

[Sasaferrato]

Well, I didn't expect to wake up to this.

 

[Rob Ray]

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That's actually a nutshell of quite a lot of the liberal stupid that let him win, imv. Why are you relying on "vote your colour" to win anything?

 

[Ted Striker]

The only sliver of an upside is that it might help me actually carry out a much needed aim to retreat from reading and reacting to all the news (and twitter obvs) all the time. What a shitshow.

 

[pinkmonkey]

One of my USA clients (in Oklahoma) predicted this, she said she didn’t like Kamala, she wasn’t that great a politician and if it had been Michelle Obama she’d be in with more of a chance. She’s not going to be happy about this result.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Zelensky doesn’t really have a choice in the matter but to placate the leader of the soon to be closed arsenal of democracy. It’s also slightly less fawning than Starmers

Sadiq on the other hand has the freedom to say well fuck.

 

[Yossarian]

Probably a wise move to flatter Trump instead of saying something truthful like "Fuck you, American voters, for dooming large parts of my country to brutal Russian occupation"

 

[brogdale]

So now we must expect attempts to spool out much of the Heritage Foundation's "Project 2025" agenda which will probably involve a great deal of supra-structural manipulation and embedding. But it is the plans for the economic base that will inevitably have the greatest consequence. These include Randian ideals like flatter tax rates, a shifting tax burden from wealth/income to consumption, undermining rights to organised labour, removing environmental restraints on economic activity (particularly extractive industries), and abolishing the federal reserve.

Interestingly questions on Foreign trade, and specifically the balance between free-trade and protectionism have not been fully resolved by the Heritage Foundation, but Trump himself seems fully wedded to tariffs, so I suppose we should expect to see trade barriers erected and, of course, that has the potential to adversely affect Reeves/OBR growth forecasts.

 

[Serge Forward]

Fash nash, for sure. But not left wing nationalism.

I'm with old Zamenhof...

I am profoundly convinced that every nationalism offers humanity only the greatest unhappiness, and that the aim of all peoples ought to be: creating a harmonious humanity. It is true that the nationalism of oppressed peoples – as a natural defensive reaction – is much more excusable than the nationalism of oppressing peoples; but, if the nationalism of the strong is ignoble, the nationalism of the weak is imprudent.

 

[Idris2002]

I'm with old Zamenhof...

Yes, but you speak Esperanto like a native.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I've never expected to say this, but it's strange times, respect to Ed Davy on twitter -

"This is a dark, dark day for people around the globe. The world’s largest economy and most powerful military will be led by a dangerous, destructive demagogue.”

In a statement recently released by the party, Davey added:

The next president of the United States is a man who actively undermines the rule of law, human rights, international trade, climate action and global security.
Millions of Americans – especially women and minorities – will be incredibly fearful about what comes next. We stand with them.
Families across the UK will also be worrying about the damage Trump will do to our economy and our national security, given his record of starting trade wars, undermining Nato and emboldening tyrants like Putin.
Fixing the UK’s broken relationship with the EU is even more urgent than before. We must strengthen trade and defence cooperation across Europe to help protect ourselves from the damage Trump will do.
Now more than ever, we must stand up for the core liberal values of equality, democracy, human rights and the rule of law – at home and around the world.”

 

[philosophical]

Fash nash, for sure. But not left wing nationalism.

That’ a new one on me, maybe you mean National Socialism.

 

[Yossarian]

So now we must expect attempts to spool out much of the Heritage Foundation's "Project 2025" agenda

You're probably right on the economic part but I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that Trump won't alienate the Muskier wing of his supporters by enacting Project 2025's proposed ban on porn

 

[Serge Forward]

Yes, but you speak Esperanto like a native.

My Esperanto is well rusty these days. I did know several first language Esperanto speakers, mind. Also, I believe George Soros grew up with Esperanto as his first language. Join the dots!!!

 

[brogdale]

You're probably right on the economic part but I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict that Trump won't alienate the Muskier wing of his supporters by enacting Project 2025's proposed ban on porn

As long as it's christian, white porn.

 

[krtek a houby]

That’ a new one on me, maybe you mean National Socialism.

Don't be silly

 

[Pickman's model]

The stars are coming right for 2025

 

[Idris2002]

My Esperanto is well rusty these days. I did know several first language Esperanto speakers, mind. Also, I believe George Soros grew up with Esperanto as his first language. Join the dots!!!

Dr Soros was very good to me.

 

[krtek a houby]

The stars are coming right for 2025

Stars on 45 (47)

 

[marty21]

I thought Kamala could do it - clearly she couldn't , actually woke up at 3am and watched some of the results - BBC was awful, so switched to C4 and that was more palatable . Trump can only do one term though - his age (82 in 2028?) and the constitution stops him, he'd have to get a constitutional amendment overturned and a new one agreed - and I don't think he has the states to do that.