Who will win the 2024 US election?

[Calamity1971]

10 years, you must have a theory by now

Yes, people are fucked off by dickheads.

 

[lazythursday]

Death throes of a failing empire built on oil. The only thing to focus on now is how we don't get dragged down in it's wake. How we stop Project 2025 being adapted for the UK.

 

[The39thStep]

Not officially elected yet

 

[krtek a houby]

Death throes of a failing empire built on oil. The only thing to focus on now is how we don't get dragged down in it's wake. How we stop Project 2025 being adapted for the UK.

You don't?

 

[lazythursday]

You don't?

Great start.

 

[Yossarian]

This has to be the end of centrism now, surely.

But maybe next time a Democrat can win by targeting anti-Trumpism Republicans!

 

[krtek a houby]

The older SC justices will retire soon and that's game over. Two or three young replacements should lock up the US for 50 years. If anybody lasts that long.

The EU, Taiwan, you name it. All fucked.

The main thing is that the libs have been owned and when you think of it, Trump is a maverick. He fucks up the old order. Bit of an anarchist.

Everything will be fine.

 

[philosophical]

What are you on about?

Brexit was a success and the will of the people.

Democracy!

What does the word ‘Brexit’ mean, because it doesn’t reflect what people voted for?
The ballot paper didn’t say Northern Ireland would be treated differently to the rest of the UK.
Those who voted leave, just like those who voted Trump, have shat the bed and everybody is obliged to lay in the faeces.

 

[Skinny Ethel]

Poland to go rogue is the only answer. I want armageddon as soon as possible.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

This thread is completely nuts.

Not much happened when Trump was in power last. He has no programme. It's not a big deal.

Nothing much happens in your skull does it?

 

[agricola]

if it is only because they'll move more to the right....seems to be the current genius thinking going around

They'll do anything to avoid the realization that they are the problem.

 

[cupid_stunt]

David Lammy, as foreign secretary, has congratulated Trump on his victory, Sky News had great fun reminding the viewers of how he described him back in 2018 -

"Trump is not only a woman-hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath. He is also a profound threat to the international order that has been the foundation of Western progress for so long."

Oops.

 

[krtek a houby]

What does the word ‘Brexit’ mean, because it doesn’t reflect what people voted for?
The ballot paper didn’t say Northern Ireland would be treated differently to the rest of the UK.
Those who voted leave, just like those who voted Trump, have shat the bed and everybody is obliged to lay in the faeces.

Brexit will enable Ireland to be whole again and rid us of the evils of partition.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Just fuck off

 

[ID47]

Not officially elected yet

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"Peace through Strength"... Perhaps my memory is playing tricks but that phrase rings a bell and not a good one.

 

[Calamity1971]

David Lammy, as foreign secretary, has congratulated Trump on his victory, Sky News had great fun reminding the viewers of how he described him back in 2018 -

"Trump is not only a woman-hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath. He is also a profound threat to the international order that has been the foundation of Western progress for so long."

Oops.

The man's a complete bellend. Starmer's government is like stepford wives.

 

[_Russ_]

Yes, people are fucked off by dickheads.

Don't worry I'm sure most here hardly notice you

 

[redsquirrel]

They were up against Trump, a man in steep cognitive decline, who looks like he's staged a dirty protest on his own face.

I think it's about Democrats continuing to say things are OK and failing to improve material conditions. Their base knows it's not getting better.

Trump is completely wrong about why things aren't OK and will make things worse but he does allow his supporters to imagine radical change. I can't understand why anyone would buy it but I do understand why they wouldn't buy either and not vote.

We'll have the same problem here in a couple of years when Starmerism faces reelection.

Bang on. Someone said why would anyone not vote Harris, well why would any socialist or progressive in California, or other blue state, vote for Harris. At least in 2020 Biden gave some nods in that direction. Now the party machinery is back to trying to remove candidates from its slate and endorsing genocide.

Pretty much every part of the political spectrum has failed though, not just centrism.

But one part of the political spectrum has one of the major two parties sew up, huge social and economic capital backing it and still can't manage to defeat Trump. On the other hand US socialists, and even progressives, have to fight against both parties and the entire establishment.

Of course socialists should analysis their strategies and tactics, but the world is not the way it is because of socialists - liberalism was the ideology that triumphed its victory and created the modern world, liberalism created Trump and is feeding populism. It would be nonsense to put equal blame on those that created this monster and those that oppose it (failing in some aspects sure - but still fighting against it).

 

[Calamity1971]

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Historic! Because he's a felon and a gropey twat?

 

[kebabking]

Yes, when he was elected last time I thought it didn't matter too much, I figured he would be lazy and ineffectual and not do much beyond a lot of bluster. But I was wrong, and I expect this time will be a lot worse.

It will be infinitely worse this time.

In Trump 1 he was a lazy, thin-skinned bully in an administration where he was at the more extreme end. What he said was usually worse than what happened because a) he could be pragmatic, and b) the people around him who did most of the work were (broadly) less extreme than him.

Trump 2 however is a completely different ball game. He has been radicalised in a way that he wasn't in T1, and the people around him, who will do most of the work, are more extreme than him. Probably a lot more extreme than him. Also, I'm not convinced that in T1 there was much of a plan, it was just bump from event to event, with his government spending most of its time telling him to go and play golf while they watered down his instructions or simply did their own thing.

This time, there's a plan - with no internal or external (to the administration/regime....) checks on its policies.

 

[Calamity1971]

Don't worry I'm sure most here hardly notice you

I've had ten marriage proposals tonight.
It's fucking exhausting.

 

[Lord Camomile]

David Lammy, as foreign secretary, has congratulated Trump on his victory, Sky News had great fun reminding the viewers of how he described him back in 2018 -

"Trump is not only a woman-hating, neo-Nazi-sympathising sociopath. He is also a profound threat to the international order that has been the foundation of Western progress for so long."

Oops.

I mean, as quotes from your past go, at least it's accurate.

I know it's stupid, but amidst all the horror and depression, I really can't get over the fact the instigator of all this is Donald fucking Trump. The guy from The Apprentice! That stupid rich guy from New York, who is almost cartoonishly narcissistic and just slaps his own name on anything and everything, most of which eventually fails, only to see him just go again...

Oh, ok, I honestly didn't mean to walk that into a clumsy metaphor for the US, but here we are anyway.

 

[Rob Ray]

So, by my count that's centrism failing to deliver on its one and only promise (electability) two out of three times against a candidate so unpleasant even his first administration abandoned him. In the UK we have centrists in power solely because the other team imploded and which failed to reach even the vote of a waffly cobweb leftist.

I don't think their core selling point holds up any more folks.

 

[philosophical]

Brexit will enable Ireland to be whole again and rid us of the evils of partition.

Is that what leave voters, reading the words of the ballot paper, intended?
I agree partition of the geographical entity of the island of Ireland is evil, but I believe nationalism is evil too.

 

[Yossarian]

First thing to make me laugh since the result became clear

 

[Idris2002]

Brexit will enable Ireland to be whole again and rid us of the evils of partition.

Monkey's paw curls.

 

[Idris2002]

Yes, people are fucked off by dickheads.

It was an ancient urban art, and everybody played their part

 

[krtek a houby]

Is that what leave voters, reading the words of the ballot paper, intended?
I agree partition of the geographical entity of the island of Ireland is evil, but I believe nationalism is evil too.

Fash nash, for sure. But not left wing nationalism.

 

[mentalchik]

I mean, as quotes from your past go, at least it's accurate.

I know it's stupid, but amidst all the horror and depression, I really can't get over the fact the instigator of all this is Donald fucking Trump. The guy from The Apprentice! That stupid rich guy from New York, who is almost cartoonishly narcissistic and just slaps his own name on anything and everything, most of which eventually fails, only to see him just go again...

Oh, ok, I honestly didn't mean to walk that into a clumsy metaphor for the US, but here we are anyway.

Yup, listening to him meander on and on this morning it's hard to understand how people voted for this total knob but there you go....i hope they don't live to regret it (but loads of them probably will)...i still find it hard to get my head round the fact that this is the best they can do....do they get what they deserve or deserve what they get ? I fear for the women and girls of the US as some states seem to be hell bent on making The Handmaids Tale a reality and can't see his election will help. The world appears to becoming more and more unstable, will this result help ?

 

[Lord Camomile]

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I'm no fan of the man, but I'm not really sure what we're expecting any world leader who isn't already actively antagonistic to the US to do right now? Sure, "look forward to" ain't great. But in the immediate term, at least, he is still going to have to deal with the US, and any perceived slight sadly could have serious ramifications later down the line because the people who just got the reigns back are petty and bullies.

(Also, the fact that his official Twitter handle is still realDonaldTrump... It has such an appropriate air of shady)