It is my view, but I'm well aware it's not everyone's.
When will the lib dem split happen?
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fractionMan
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The lib dems are like that annoying little kid that always hung out with the school bully.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
if so,then by any standards that's an appallingly cynical, callous and venal calculation!
And that's different from other parties in which way?
Hang on, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The full-scale fiscal damage has already been done with the CSR. There will be nothing that means anything to put the breaks on after April.
The Lib Dems in the cabinet are doing this because they believe in it.
I don't agree with your first paragraph. I fully agree with the second.
What's going to happen in 2013/2014/2015 that's more significant than the vast spending cuts they've just signed off? If you're just winging this it's ok to back down.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I honestly cannot remember any Labour govt putting as much distance between the manifesto they stood on, and what they went on to do in office. The lib dems have junked virtually all their significant promises, and arer now helping implement a package of cuts which there simply isn't a mandate for.
I take your point that politicians are cynical, devious bastards, but this is in a different league to practically anything I've ever seen, in nearly 30 years of political involvement. At least Thatcher could claim she had a mandate.
If I knew what would happen in future years I'd make money on the Grand National. I therefore also can't know what signifigance future happenings might posess.
The manifestos, not having taken account of the consequences of a hung parliament, became redundant as soon as the decicion was made to form a coalition government.
So what do you know that Nick Clegg knows for you to have asserted so confidently above:
Emphasis mine.
I know so little. Doesn't stop me having opinions, though. That was my opinion of how Clegg might be thinking.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
don't agree; if you make all those promises and then simply tear them up, you are saying 'being in office at any price is more important than anything we claimed to believe in, ever. They didn't have to go into coalition with the tories. This is, IMO, as stunningly duplicitous and shameless as Blair was over Iraq, the difference being Blair seemed to genuinely believe the security of the British people was at stake
I think that the LibDems have persuaded themselves that taking the medicine now will result in happier times in the future.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Oh, I'm absolutely certain that's the gamble they're taking. I think it'll fail tho', simply cos they've removed one-half of people's motivation for voting for them
I hate this whole Thatcherite "I'm entitled to my opinion even if my opinion is clearly based on a misreading of the facts" bollocks. Who cares about your opinion, it's wrong.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They'r not taking the medicine. Regardless of whether it even exists.
That's your opinion.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Give in on every point of principle, slash services in the hope that in three years time Cameron will let them...what? Spend some money on doing up gardens? Tosh. Clegg and Cable have implemented the cuts they wanted to all along. They are more than happy to crush the liberal 'left,' even at the expense of PR or any other meaningful reform.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
They're fucked for the next twenty years, and that isn't an opinion.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
yeah, that sort of shit annoys me too. there seems to be a view that CHALLENGING someones opinion is an attack on "freedom of speech".
It's also correct. I hate this whole "I'm entitled to my opinion" shite. It isn't all about me or you or our "opinions". It's about the facts and you're clutching at straws to deflect attention from the fact you've clearly demonstrated that you don't know what you're talking about.
If you're right, it will certainly split the LibDems. Clegg knows that. So I don't think you're right.
Well, you would say that, wouldn't you?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
They've gone back on just about every manifesto pledge they have asnd it still hasn't split them so - while i do think a split is coming - it's a reasonable assumption to think that there won't be one, too.
I diagnose internet-itis: patient gets made a fool of, refuses to back down regardless.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It doesn't seem to have tho does it? There will be no split - to where? utterly pointless. One or two may join the Greens, a couple more to Labour, but the party wont split. Because they are a bunch of unprincipled tosspots who will do and say anything for power, as their behaviour in councils across the country shows.
Indeed. The worst of the decisions have been taken; if they were going to split, they'd have done so already.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
We were told a tory-lib-dem coalition would rip the lib-dems apart. By the lib-dems. Another lie.
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