I've never thought it was Urban's most endearing trait, to be honest.
When will the lib dem split happen?
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I've never thought it was Urban's most endearing trait, to be honest.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Perhaps not but you should know that it shouldn't be taken seriously. It's not as though he said "AT 1PM THIS AFTERNOON I WILL GO TO YOUR HOUSE AND STAB YOU UP" is it?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
you really are a complete fucking tory bellend, ain'tcha? I f you had any idea what life is like at the bottom of the heap, you'd realise the consequences, in real day to day terms, of the fact that these cuts fall disproportionately on the poorest, and that this goes way, way beyond what you suggest. In fact, this post alone actually justifies all the verbal violence heaped on you (and prolly r/l equivalent asd well!). Let me spell this out you tory twat; Y.O.U. A.R.E. T.E.A.R.I.N.G. T.H.E. L.I.V.E.S. O.F. T.H.E. P.O.O.R. A.P.A.R.T.
easy enough for you to get now?
And I sure as hell hope someone does to you what you are doing to people here in Haringey
Of course it's not. But it does seem to me to be so un-nessessary and never leads to improved debate.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
They certainly do deserve that, and more besides.
Do you want a smack in the mouth?
Have it your own way.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
but only, as a rule, when people do as moonie has done - list the argument so decided to pick up on a slightly hyperbolic statement. ffs, he was objecting to the phrase 'liberal scum' earlier! it's fairly blatant
It was offensive, threatening and of a menacing manner. It crossed the line, and I don't hold that 'It's what urban is like' as being good enough.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Stop fucking whining. Tawdry spectacle.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
fucking diddums.
much worse is said about your lot in every pub and shop up n down the country every day
I'm convinced that had the Tories formed a minority government before the summer, there would have been a new general election in October, and, having enjoyed a few months in government, with all the advantages that provides, a majority Tory government would now be in power, with no brakes attached whatsoever.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why? And what on earth gives you the impression that the lib-dems are acting as brake rather than a accelerator? It's quite clear that the lib-dems are acting as the hard right of the coalition - exactly as Cameron wants them to.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
I agree. but politics is, and always should be, a passionate business, especially when - as is the case right now - the policies being proposed/implemented will have such a dramatic, and destructive effect on the quality of people's lives, so it's not surprising when it occasionally boils over. And speaking for myself, I'd rather have that passion than the cold-blooded desiccated callousness which informs the politics of those on the right.
Because it shows people care.
"Why? And what on earth gives you the impression that the lib-dems are acting as brake rather than a accelerator? It's quite clear that the lib-dems are acting as the hard right of the coalition - exactly as Cameron wants them to. "
That's not as I see it.
That's not as I see it.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Tough shit, you deserve it for your revolting apologism for this all-out attack on the workers, and for daring to suggest that all that your poilitical overlords are doing isn't really causing that much pain. You have no idea of working class lives, or needs.
Deal with it chum, and expect far worse in the months to come, considering what effect your party's decisions is going to have on millions of people's lives.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
in terms of economic policy, you couldn't fit a rollie paper between the tories and the mob currently i'c libdems; they are both neoliberals.
Cameron (as well, of course, as Clegg) has to keep all the LibDems on board not just for now, as the cuts start to bite, but also later when an improving economy would lead to new choices. (It should go without saying that a non-improving economy will spell the end of the coalition, and probably the end of the LibDems too.)
It's been Clegg, Alexander, Huhne, Cable etc (plus Laws behind the scenes) pushing hardest within cabinet for cuts. The only senior ministers to seriously resist them have been from the Tory right - IDS and Fox. The Lib Dems are the fiscal hardliners within the coaltion. This notion of the Liberals acting as a counterweight is a complete fantasy.
Once they decided (wrongly, in my opinion) to go the way of cuts, it never would have made any sense to go half-heartedly. The LibDems have wagered all the family silver on the eventual recovery of the economy.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So they're not acting as brakes then are they? You've just undermined your earlier post.
A government expects to last four to five years. It makes sense to get the most disagreeable measures through at the beginning so as to have something pleasanter to offer the voter before the next election. The time for full-on brakes has not arrived yet. I am talking about the political calculations being churned through the heads of Clegg & Co as we speak.
fractionMan
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that makes zero sense.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
isn't that really all crystal ball territory, though? you may have been proved right, but equally you may have been proved wrong.
(In other words, I can't see much value in hypothetical conjecture).
Political calculation. You know? What polititians do.
As always, only time will tell.
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