Streathamite
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When will the lib dem split happen?
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There's no need to shout. Doesn't improve your argument.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Streathamite
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did your boyfriend tell you to say that too?
Streathamite
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Unfortunately, it seerms to be the only way to get through to that clown. It's such a ridiculous claim he's made there.
I've seen no sign that he is deaf. Probably he doesn't agree with you and can't be bothered to reply.
I read the link and a few of the comments below it. The very first one just said succinctly:- "Clegg is a loathsome individual."
I liked this one: Cleggs an utter gobshite simple as that
SpineyNorman
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You are probably the most tedious person it has ever been my misfortune to encounter. Well done.
SpineyNorman
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I could write a list of policies that I "hope" to see implimented by the coalition. Doesn't mean they will be. Given that they are only hopes, why list them as achievements? Or are you allowed to call fantasies achievements if you're in coalition? Given that according to Lib Dem logic going into coalition excuses lying through your teeth, both before and after the election, this may well be the case.
Streathamite
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It's not about him being deaf, it's about his endless spinning-by-numbers that operates via complete, repeated denial of factual reality, no matter how many times he's shown where he's got it wrong on points of fact. It's not just me - everyone has pulled him up, so often, yet he then repeats the same points that have been shown to be utter bollocks.
He's a clown, and should be treated like one.
Streathamite
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There's actually a very, very good chance of that, unless the LDs stage a miraculous recovery. A whole Uni entirely in his constiuency, a big hospital, loads of low paid....he couldn't possibly have done more to enrage his constituentsFucker to lose his seat next time???
Fucker to lose his seat next time???
he'll be fighting a safe tory seat elsewhere...
SpineyNorman
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That may be. But you're supposed to be proving to us all that you've won concessions from the Tories. Given that this was in their manifesto I cannot see how this could be termed a concession (unless you've redefined this in the same way you've redifined concepts like of truth, fairness and democracy). You are supposed to be telling us why we're better off with you in coalition than we would be with a minority Tory government. This is certainly not evidence of that since, had there been a Tory minority government, this would still have passed, since Lib Dem MPs would have been able to vote it through anyway. All you're showing here is how close you are to the Tories, you're certainly not demonstrating how you've reigned them in. I honestly don't see how this is any better than a Tory majority, nevermind minority.
SpineyNorman
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But it's not a matter of opinion - it's a matter of fact. Had the Tories won a majority this would still have gone through. It's therefore NOT a concession. Which part of this are you unable to comprehend?
SpineyNorman
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Hallam's a massive university too. Somewhere in the region of 35,000 students. It's bound to have pissed a lot of the staff off too, certainly has at Sheffield University, so you can increase that to 40,000, plus Sheffield University students, some of whom live in the Hallam constituency. People are also pissed off about Forgemasters and the public sector cuts (Sheffield has a massive public sector as a proportion of the workforce). I'm sure I saw a poll that said Labour and the Tories were just about neck and neck, with the Lib Dems a poor third. That was, I think, just before the spending review, certainly before the students became conscious of the fee increases. I wouldn't be surprised if Labour are in the lead now, and the cuts haven't even started to bite yet. Sheffield will be hit very hard by them. I really can't see Clegg getting here again. Someone on here suggested that he might be given a safe Tory seat or a peerage in thanks for his service to Torydom. This seems more likely to me than him holding his seat in Hallam.
SpineyNorman
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oh norm, thank you, that information makes me so very happy
King Biscuit Time
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I quite agree, even if he lasts the 5 years, The LDs will cast him out fearing a meltdown, and he's too young to duck out of politics alltogether.
This is the report you're thinking off btw
(And if anything, he's less popular now than when this was written).
Streathamite
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It's also worth noting that Sarah Teather and Lynn Featherstone are both absolutely toast at the next election, and Simon Hughes is apparently shitting himself and practically megaphoning his opposition to the cuts, in his constituency
SpineyNorman
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Any chance that Hughes might cross the floor? Or will he hold on in the hope that he might replace Clegg as leader? What do people think?
SpineyNorman
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oh norm, thank you, that information makes me so very happy
Clegg getting ousted would be fantastic
Unfortunately I will be unable to enjoy it properly since I know a hell of a lot of people here will genuinely suffer before that happens
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Lib-dems back on 9% tonight.
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Given his perfomance on young question time tonight I'm sceptical he repeatedly defended the Coalition's policies quite comfortably.
No, i'm talking about good things the coalition has done. If people hold that the cuts are only possible because of the Lib Dems, then the same logic must apply to the scrapping of ID cards and Contactpoint.
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