When will the lib dem split happen?

[moon23]

Nope.
What I do have is a list of figures for 35 (equal to about 6%, so a reasonable sample) randomly-selected LD constituency parties that I contacted at random last month. I've texted the person I did the research for, to see if he'll let me post the data, although I don't know if he will, (he hasn't published it yet).

You would probably want to select a sample that gave a cross-section rather than through random selection. Was this a drop since the coalition, or since the start of the year?

 

[moon23]

the large majority of theam have NOT been introduced yet, so for you to calim them as Liberal Scum wins is yet another lie from you.

You are just incapable fo stopping lying, arent you? What a vile human being.

Of course we have had about 6mths of government so they haven't all been introduced.

 

[Streathamite]

Of course we have had about 6mths of government so they haven't all been introduced.

hardly ANY of them have got out lof the gate you lying toerag!

 

[Lock&Light]

It normal for parties in a coalition to claim sucess when having got a policy agreed in the government's statement of intent. Of course some things fall by the way, and those parties have to be able to show before the next election what they actually have achieved.

 

[fractionMan]

Whatever they pay you to betray yourself and others like this, it's not enough.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What so the smaller party was meant to overide the democratic wishes of all the Conservative voters in order to enforce it's pledge and ensure the Coalition did what the 50 or so Lib Dem MPs wanted. Get a grip, you clearly don't understand coalition politics.

Or perhaps he understands them better than you do.
The LDs are in a unique position: They hold the balance of power in terms of what can be legislated. This is true of any bipartite coalition, whatever the ratio.

FYI Any government elected would have made cuts, Darling said as much.

Yes, but as has been constantly reiterated, Darling at least proposed to taper the cuts differently, saving the more severe cuts for later in the programme, when economists have predicted the economy will be more stable.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You would probably want to select a sample that gave a cross-section rather than through random selection. Was this a drop since the coalition, or since the start of the year?

The client wanted a random selection, so that the possibility of selecting a series of strongholds was lessened.
And this was a drop since coalition.

 

[Streathamite]

It normal for parties in a coalition to claim sucess when having got a policy agreed in the government's statement of intent. Of course some things fall by the way, and those parties have to be able to show before the next election what they actually have achieved.

agreed, but virtually none of moon's claims are anything other than words as yet, and he's still bigging them up as a huge achievement. If that's what he regards as an achievement, I'd love to see his CV! (speaking as a recruitmdent professional).

 

[belboid]

Of course we have had about 6mths of government so they haven't all been introduced.

then it was a lie for you to claim them as Liberal Scum achievements

 

[Lock&Light]

I don't think he's bigging them up as achievements, but as what he hopes will largely be the results of a five year term of government.

 

[Streathamite]

I don't think he's bigging them up as achievements, but as what he hopes will largely be the results of a five year term of government.

unfortunately, this was Moon23's precise words, which, when challenged,led to him listing all those 'achievements' (see P17 of this thread):

Personally I think the party has won a lot of good things and the govenrment is better for our being in it.

the point being, he's 'won' nothing until those things have actually happened. right now, LibDem credibility is simply too threadbare rightnow for their words alone to have any value.

 

[belboid]

I don't think he's bigging them up as achievements, but as what he hopes will largely be the results of a five year term of government.

but this thread has propved that your ability to read basic English is utterly flawed, so your opinion isn't really worth much, is it?

 

[Lock&Light]

This thread has propved nothing of the sort. Nor has it proved it.

 

[moon23]

hardly ANY of them have got out lof the gate you lying toerag!

This one has almost passed through the Lords - The abolition of Identity Cards, the National Identity register, the next generation of biometric passports and the ContactPoint Database

 

[moon23]

unfortunately, this was Moon23's precise words, which, when challenged,led to him listing all those 'achievements' (see P17 of this thread):

the point being, he's 'won' nothing until those things have actually happened. right now, LibDem credibility is simply too threadbare rightnow for their words alone to have any value.

They are won in the agreement Streathamite.

 

[moon23]

The client wanted a random selection, so that the possibility of selecting a series of strongholds was lessened.
And this was a drop since coalition.

Fair enough, so you could still have a yearly rise in membership even with a drop since the coalition.

 

[Streathamite]

This one has almost passed through the Lords - The abolition of Identity Cards, the National Identity register, the next generation of biometric passports and the ContactPoint Database

Wow! One whole thing! which the tories went into the election promising to do anyway! so that absolutely ZERO you 'won' off the Tories.

 

[belboid]

This one has almost passed through the Lords - The abolition of Identity Cards, the National Identity register, the next generation of biometric passports and the ContactPoint Database

That was Tory policy too, tit. And, if you havent noticed, those self same Liberal Scum are effectively re-introducing the NIR anyway!

You're all scum

 

[belboid]

They are won in the agreement Streathamite.

Worthless worfs from worthless shits. And some are already gone back on, Pupil Premium has had its whole point ripped out of it. You're a party of incompetents and fools

 

[Streathamite]

They are won in the agreement Streathamite.

which is just a piece of paper.
just like your manifesto.
which has become in 6 months flat only fit for wiping my arse on.
Christ, you are so pitifully, desperately bad at this apologist spinning.

 

[Streathamite]

That was Tory policy too, tit.

beat yer to it!

 

[moon23]

That was Tory policy too, tit. And, if you havent noticed, those self same Liberal Scum are effectively re-introducing the NIR anyway!

You're all scum

So when a bad Tory policy is enacted e.g. Cuts it's the Lib Dems fault, but when a good policy is enacted the Tories? People can't argue the Lib Dems have enabled the Tories to do bad things, but then deny they have enabled them to do good things.

 

[Lock&Light]

So when a bad Tory policy is enacted e.g. Cuts it's the Lib Dems fault, but when a good policy is enacted the Tories? People can't argue the Lib Dems have enabled the Tories to do bad things, but then deny they have enabled them to do good things.

I think there's a problem for those who are used to single party government to understand the concept of coalition.

 

[belboid]

So when a bad Tory policy is enacted e.g. Cuts it's the Lib Dems fault, but when a good policy is enacted the Tories? People can't argue the Lib Dems have enabled the Tories to do bad things, but then deny they have enabled them to do good things.

Pure fucking genius. Yes, you have 'enabled' them to enact there own policy, just as you enabled them to make liars out of you on fees (and a host of other issues), pathetic. We blame both of you for the cuts, and for the rest of the shit. But at least tyhe tories said they were going to be cuts, your lot didnt. Thats why people hate you more, they dont like being lied to.

 

[Streathamite]

So when a bad Tory policy is enacted e.g. Cuts it's the Lib Dems fault, but when a good policy is enacted the Tories? People can't argue the Lib Dems have enabled the Tories to do bad things, but then deny they have enabled them to do good things.

no you cretin - you can't claim to have 'won' this off the tories if they were gonna do this anyway, had they got a majority! jesus wept.

 

[moon23]

no you cretin - you can't claim to have 'won' this off the tories if they were gonna do this anyway, had they got a majority! jesus wept.

Well we have helped ensure a Lib Dem policy in enacted through working together. That's a good thing.

 

[moon23]

Pure fucking genius. Yes, you have 'enabled' them to enact there own policy, just as you enabled them to make liars out of you on fees (and a host of other issues), pathetic. We blame both of you for the cuts, and for the rest of the shit. But at least tyhe tories said they were going to be cuts, your lot didnt. Thats why people hate you more, they dont like being lied to.

All three parties said there was going to be a need for cuts, Clegg said there was going to be cuts before the election

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/sep/18/nick-clegg-liberal-democrats-spending

 

[belboid]

Not these cuts, Cable proposed a diamterically opposite policy in opposition that was fair closer to Labours policy (meaning between the two of them, more people voted against tory plans than for them).

I note you cant actually answer the central point. The Liberal Scum 'achievements' were no such thing, and the much vaunted abolition of the NIR isn't really happening. Which makes your point in 584 somewhere between worthless and a deliberate lie.

 

[butchersapron]

All three parties said there was going to be a need for cuts, Clegg said there was going to be cuts before the election

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/sep/18/nick-clegg-liberal-democrats-spending

Before the election

Look, the decision on how we govern this country and how people vote shouldn't be driven by fear of what the markets might do. Let's say there was a Conservative government. Let's say a Conservative government announced, in that sort of macho way: "We're gonna slash public spending by a third, we'll slash this, we'll slash this, we'll do it tomorrow. We have to take early, tough action."

Just imagine the reaction of my constituents in south-west Sheffield. I represent a constituency that has more people working in public services as a proportion of the workforce than any other constituency in the country. Lots of people working in universities, the hospitals and so on.

They have no Conservative councillors. They have no Conservative MPs. There are no Conservative MPs or Conservative councillors as far as the eye can see in South Yorkshire. People like that are going to say: "Who are these people telling us that they are are going to suddenly take our jobs away? What mandate do they have? I didn't vote for them. No one around here voted for them."

I think if we want to go the direction of Greece, where you get real social and industrial unrest, that's the guaranteed way of doing it.

After the election

I changed my mind earlier than that . . . Firstly remember between March and the actual general election . . . a financial earthquake occurred on our European doorstep.

 

[Streathamite]

Well we have helped ensure a Lib Dem policy in enacted through working together. That's a good thing.

please read this carefully:
IT.WOULD.HAVE.HAPPENED.WITHOUT.YOU.ANYWAY.IT.WAS.A.HEADLINE.TORY.MANIFESTO.PLEDGE.