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When will the lib dem split happen?

When will the split happen?

  • Next week

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • By the end of 2010

    Votes: 3 4.6%

  • By the end of next year

    Votes: 34 52.3%

  • By the end of the term

    Votes: 8 12.3%

  • At some other point

    Votes: 5 7.7%

  • NEVER !!!!!!!! OUR DEAR MASTER LOVES US HE WILL NEVER BETRAY US

    Votes: 15 23.1%
  • Total voters
    65
Contrast with the hard liberals who'll not scruple to chuck a mother and child out their home in the service of sanguisuge ideology.
 
San"gui*suge\, n. [L. sanguisuga; sanguis blood + sugere to suck.] (Zo["o]l.) A bloodsucker, or leech.

It's a perfectly cromulent word
 
little_legs said:
so will the yellow tories continue to prop up the tories if they lose their AV referendum?
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It's the people's referendum, the electorate gets to decide what they want. I'm proud the party managed to win it, more than anyone else has done in the form of electroal reform.
 
Congrats on winning the holding of a referendum on AV which labour was going to do anyway. And congrats on losing it too. You've destroyed PR by hitching it to your parties interest.
 
moon23 said:
It's the people's referendum, the electorate gets to decide what they want. I'm proud the party managed to win it, more than anyone else has done in the form of electroal reform.
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That doesn't really answer the question you quoted, does it? Will you continue to support your masters if this doesn't go through, given that it will mean you've gained nothing whatsoever from being in coalition?
 
SpineyNorman said:
That doesn't really answer the question you quoted, does it? Will you continue to support your masters if this doesn't go through, given that it will mean you've gained nothing whatsoever from being in coalition?
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It depends on how the coalition agreement is implemented, the party won a lot of compromise from the Conservatives in that agreement. AV is just one part of the agreement, and if we have the referundum then we have given people the choice.

If people choose they prefer FPTP that's their call, it wouldn't affect whether I thought giving them that choice was worthwhile or not.
 
butchersapron said:
Congrats on winning the holding of a referendum on AV which labour was going to do anyway. And congrats on losing it too. You've destroyed PR by hitching it to your parties interest.
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You think they were going to hold it? They said they were going to before, and now it's not clear whether the party will support it or try and inflict a political defeat against the Lib Dems.
 
moon23 said:
It depends on how the coalition agreement is implemented, the party won a lot of compromise from the Conservatives in that agreement. AV is just one part of the agreement, and if we have the referundum then we have given people the choice.

If people choose they prefer FPTP that's their call, it wouldn't affect whether I thought giving them that choice was worthwhile or not.
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But you won't have actually gained anything will you? These "concessions" appear to all be things one could reasonably have expected to Tories to impliment anyway. Seems to me all you're really doing is making up the numbers in order to give the Tories a majority. How is this better, or even no worse, than a minority Tory government? I just don't see it myself. It doesn't matter what mental gymnastics you perform to make it so in your head, as in reality nobody sees you as being any different from the Tories. That's not just on here by the way, just about everyone I've spoken to about this agrees that the only difference between you and them is the colour.
 
moon23 said:
You think they were going to hold it? They said they were going to before, and now it's not clear whether the party will support it or try and inflict a political defeat against the Lib Dems.
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Of course, the Lib Dems would NEVER back out of a pledge, would they?
 
SpineyNorman said:
But you won't have actually gained anything will you? These "concessions" appear to all be things one could reasonably have expected to Tories to impliment anyway. Seems to me all you're really doing is making up the numbers in order to give the Tories a majority. How is this better, or even no worse, than a minority Tory government? I just don't see it myself. It doesn't matter what mental gymnastics you perform to make it so in your head, as in reality nobody sees you as being any different from the Tories. That's not just on here by the way, just about everyone I've spoken to about this agrees that the only difference between you and them is the colour.
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It's very hard for people to tell just how much the Lib Dems have won in concessions from the Conservatives. Largely because the party hasn't been making enough of a song and dance about it. The media focus is all around negative things and not the good things the party has helped achieve. I happen to think these things are worthwhile.
 
SpineyNorman said:
Of course, the Lib Dems would NEVER back out of a pledge, would they?
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Most parties back out of pledges, the vast majority of Labour supporters spent 13 years justifying their support for the parties overall efforts in the face of broken pledges. That was a party commanding a massive majority in the commons too, not the smaller party in a coalition where it’s not possible to enact all of your promises even if you wanted too.
 
moon23 said:
You think they were going to hold it? They said they were going to before, and now it's not clear whether the party will support it or try and inflict a political defeat against the Lib Dems.
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Yes i do. And no they didn't.

This line of defence is very good btw - yes, we're shit but so are the others. Yes, we lie - but so do they.
 
moon23 said:
It's very hard for people to tell just how much the Lib Dems have won in concessions from the Conservatives. Largely because the party hasn't been making enough of a song and dance about it. The media focus is all around negative things and not the good things the party has helped achieve. I happen to think these things are worthwhile.
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So you're saying people hate you because you're crap at spin? Is that really the best you can do? Maybe the fact they haven't been shouting from the rooftops about these "concessions" is due, at least in part, to the fact they don't actually exist.

Whereas a minority Tory government would have struggled to pass any of this crap.
 
moon23 said:
Most parties back out of pledges, the vast majority of Labour supporters spent 13 years justifying their support for the parties overall efforts in the face of broken pledges. That was a party commanding a massive majority in the commons too, not the smaller party in a coalition where it’s not possible to enact all of your promises even if you wanted too.
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We're not talking about Labour. We're talking about the Lib Dems. Nice try though.
 
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