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On the subject of masks themselves I'm seeing quite a lot of families out and about where the adults have masks on but the children don't. I understand that with very young children it could be tricky and there will always be kids (and adults of course) who really struggle with them but I do see some children wearing them with no bother at all. As much as anything it seems to be whether the parents / adults are encouraging the children to wear one.

Whilst we all know that children are incredibly unlikely to get ill from the virus I find it very hard to believe that they can't carry it and indeed pass it on. If that wasn't the case then surely there wouldn't be any question about schools restarting as normal?

What are the views of the parents on here? I can't help thinking that virtually every kid would be made to wear a mask if there was a greater risk of them becoming ill?
 
Teaboy said:
On the subject of masks themselves I'm seeing quite a lot of families out and about where the adults have masks on but the children don't. I understand that with very young children it could be tricky and there will always be kids (and adults of course) who really struggle with them but I do see some children wearing them with no bother at all. As much as anything it seems to be whether the parents / adults are encouraging the children to wear one.

Whilst we all know that children are incredibly unlikely to get ill from the virus I find it very hard to believe that they can't carry it and indeed pass it on. If that wasn't the case then surely there wouldn't be any question about schools restarting as normal?

What are the views of the parents on here? I can't help thinking that virtually every kid would be made to wear a mask if there was a greater risk of them becoming ill?
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Well my 18 year old turned up last night in a homemade hello kitty mask, apparently masks are becoming a fashion statement. I can't see my grandson who's three and a half wearing a mask though no matter what his mother thinks.
I believe the lower age limit is 11, OK maybe 9 or 10 years old but 8, 7? If kids were at risk of getting ill from the lurgy then I think parents would keep them at home as much as possible instead, which is likely to be equally bad for them.
 
frogwoman said:

Brazil drowns in its own debt

With public-sector debt ballooning towards 100% of GDP, the state cannot afford generous fiscal support measures for much longer.
moneyweek.com moneyweek.com

Fantastic.
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An awful lot of Brazil's current problems can be traced to the fact that the President is a cunt in the Trumpian mould, the next story down about falling London rents is interesting too.
 
MickiQ said:
Well my 18 year old turned up last night in a homemade hello kitty mask, apparently masks are becoming a fashion statement. I can't see my grandson who's three and a half wearing a mask though no matter what his mother thinks.
I believe the lower age limit is 11, OK maybe 9 or 10 years old but 8, 7? If kids were at risk of getting ill from the lurgy then I think parents would keep them at home as much as possible instead, which is likely to be equally bad for them.
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In Scotland, it's from 5 in shops and stuff.

Archive Timeline

www.gov.scot www.gov.scot
 
Roadkill said:
So, to summarise waterloowelshy's posts...
Masks don't work
Lockdown doesn't work
Covid isn't dangerous to most
Everyone who doesn't agree is some sort of fear-crazed sheeple

Someone's been at the alt-right kool-aid.
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And I could equally state that the left have lost their mind over covid and have become obsessed with being controlled. As previousl posts, the only viable solution given current strategy is to stay in lock down forever. This is despite the virulence of the disease diminishing and death rate reducing whilst cases rise again. At some point there will have to be a common sense approach. Though I suspect that people are enjoying being locked up for their safety. This thread has rather depressingly proven that.
 
waterloowelshy said:
And I could equally state that the left have lost their mind over covid and have become obsessed with being controlled. As previousl posts, the only viable solution given current strategy is to stay in lock down forever. This is despite the virulence of the disease diminishing and death rate reducing whilst cases rise again. At some point there will have to be a common sense approach. Though I suspect that people are enjoying being locked up for their safety. This thread has rather depressingly proven that.
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You really don't have a clue, there's so much to correct and point out the nonsense and problems with the content of your posts it's too much effort. I suspect you've watched a few Youtube videos and maybe read some ill informed stuff coming from elements of the right about this, and that last post really shows us your hand, as well as the fact that you seem to be a bit of a nasty prick.
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
You really don't have a clue, there's so much to correct and point out the nonsense and problems with the content of your posts it's too much effort. I suspect you've watched a few Youtube videos and maybe read some ill informed stuff coming from elements of the right about this, and that last post really shows us your hand.
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But, the only counter narrative on here seems to be to stay in lockdown forever / unit a vaccine is found. That's the sum of it.
 
waterloowelshy said:
And I could equally state that the left have lost their mind over covid and have become obsessed with being controlled. As previousl posts, the only viable solution given current strategy is to stay in lock down forever.
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Nobody said anything about "lockdown forever" Please stop lying.

This is despite the virulence of the disease diminishing and death rate reducing whilst cases rise again.
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Bullshit. What's your evidence for this, that the medical community at large has somehow missed out on?

At some point there will have to be a common sense approach.
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"Granny's life is less important than profits" is only "common sense" if you're a capitalist pig.

Though I suspect that people are enjoying being locked up for their safety. This thread has rather depressingly proven that.
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People enjoy not risking a potentially serious illness, yes.
 
waterloowelshy said:
But, the only counter narrative on here seems to be to stay in lockdown forever / unit a vaccine is found. That's the sum of it.
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You do know we're not 'in lockdown' now right? There's some restrictions on certain things, but not that much, and those that there are are easing. And you do know that some restrictions until a vaccine is possible is the global consensus position across pretty much every country and government and is inline with all the reputable scientific advice?
 
NoXion said:
Nobody said anything about "lockdown forever" Please stop lying.



Bullshit. What's your evidence for this, that the medical community at large has somehow missed out on?



"Granny's life is less important than profits" is only "common sense" if you're a capitalist pig.



People enjoy not risking a potentially serious illness, yes.
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There you go. Easy to view graphs of cases rising while hospital admissions and deaths remain at an all time low. But yeah, lets keep panicking. These are statistics. Actual statistics.

UKHSA data dashboard

Overall summary of the respiratory viruses in circulation within the UK
coronavirus.data.gov.uk coronavirus.data.gov.uk
 
LynnDoyleCooper said:
You do know we're not 'in lockdown' now right? There's some restrictions on certain things, but not that much, and those that there are are easing. And you do know that some restrictions until a vaccine is possible is the global consensus position across pretty much every country and government and is inline with all the reputable scientific advice?
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Even though there might never be a succesful vaccine? Makes total sense.
 
The Republicans in the US kept on going on in early july about how 'deaths are down' while cases are rising, and 2-4 weeks later guess what happened...
 
andysays said:
It's not about "a different view" though, is it?

You've been posting a load of dismissive, dishonest crap and it's no surprise that various people have called you on it.
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I've posted statistics clearly showing that cases are increasing, but hospital admissions and deaths declining and at all time lows. How on earth is that dishonest. Just because you might not want to believe it, doesnt make it any less true.
 
Another attempt at a patient explanation: Personally, I wouldn't really call the current level of work, family and social life "lockdown" anymore. Big parts of life have returned to a significant degree of "normal", even more so if school reopening can be managed.

If we were to take everyone over 70 out of circulation, plus the estimated 15-30% (I think) of younger people with known pre-existing conditions, life would be anything but normal.
Many teachers wouldn't be able to teach, volunteers unable to volunteer, grandparents unable to look after their grandchildren etc.
Never mind the fact that these many millions of people might have some thoughts about this, too!

If I am looking around me, I see many people looking pretty happy having a coffee with their elderly mum, or grandparents taking kids out for a treat. Seems to me that most people value and appreciate this level of togetherness over being able to go into a football stadium or to a massive concert or whatever it is that would need to happen to call it normal?

Another thing is that currently there is quite a bit more scope for people for social consumption, it's just that a lot of people are still wary and not frequenting businesses from pubs to shops to gyms as much as they used to. If anything, people are gradually regaining some confidence to do so. I don't think this would be helped by the virus being allowed to run riot again.

I reckon if we are going to get through the winter, with the latest set of reopenings in place plus schools open, we would be doing pretty well indeed.
 
NoXion said:
How do you know that isn't because of wider testing?
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Of course its to do with wider testing. But it still remains the case that of those increased positive cases less and less of those are (thankfully) requiring hospitilisation and / or leading to deaths.

Some interesting conclusions why here (oh its not youtube):

www.nytimes.com

U.S. Coronavirus Cases Are Rising Sharply, but Deaths Are Still Down (Published 2020)

This seemingly counterintuitive trend might not last, experts said. But the nation can still learn from the decline.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
 
waterloowelshy said:
Even though there might never be a succesful vaccine? Makes total sense.
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Yeah, and in the future if there isn't a vaccine forthcoming then things will change, but it'd be fucking stupid to do that until we know whether one is possible or not. Seriously you're just coming across as quite clueless about this stuff.
 
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