US election 2020 thread

[ska invita]

Ive heard David Renton give a talk on that book... his talk boiled down to that he recognises the "convergence" between the mainstream right, the far right and fascistic leaders but maintains its wrong to misuse the term fascism when its not actually fascism. That said he recognises the blurring and new formations occurring, and history need not repeat itself in exactly the same forms as before, so we should be conscious of those new configurations. Theres probably a lot more than that in the book

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Jeff Fortenberry, my congress critter just sent this note to his constituents in response to the call to impeach Trump:

"Will seeking political retribution calm the violence and division in our nation? We can keep canceling one another, hurting one another, hating one another, or we can stop. The flag is still flying over the Capitol. "

What happened all of a sudden to "I love the taste of liberal tears." Fuck singing kumbaya with these people. I have no common cause with people who wear this:



... or with people who support them. This is after he joined with a number of other representatives to overturn election results from other states. You can't have peace until you have accountability.
.

 

[belboid]

TBF, she did know a good samosa when she encountered one...

that was Lindsey German. Julie's great faux pas was the 'scum off the estates' comment during a debate on who voted BNP.

 

[agricola]

This is after he joined with a number of other representatives to overturn election results from other states. You can't have peace until you have accountability.

Indeed, though I do wonder whether Pelosi et al should calm this down until the 20th. He is clearly banking on more violence, and the usual scumbags are going to defend him. Get him out of power and then crush him.

 

[Sue]

that was Lindsey German. Julie's great faux pas was the 'scum off the estates' comment during a debate on who voted BNP.

Hah, you're right -- you got the reference though ,

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Indeed, though I do wonder whether Pelosi et al should calm this down until the 20th. He is clearly banking on more violence, and the usual scumbags are going to defend him. Get him out of power and then crush him.

I can agree with that. I think there will also be more clear evidence regarding who supported what amounts to a coup attempt. We need a full investigation to make sure we know who supported this. Then, we need to get as many co-conspirators out of power as humanly possible in addition to Trump.

 

[belboid]

Ive heard David Renton give a talk on that book... his talk boiled down to that he recognises the "convergence" between the mainstream right, the far right and fascistic leaders but maintains its wrong to misuse the term fascism when its not actually fascism. That said he recognises the blurring and new formations occurring, and history need not repeat itself in exactly the same forms as before, so we should be conscious of those new configurations. Theres probably a lot more than that in the book

At crux times they become so close they can switch, Mussolini toyed with non-fascist nationalism before going the whole hog, Trump came close, but never quite tipped. As you say, one of the key points (where he is surely right) is that fascism wont come in an obviously directly paralel route to the twenties and thirties.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Jeff Fortenberry, my congress critter just sent this note to his constituents in response to the call to impeach Trump:

"Will seeking political retribution calm the violence and division in our nation? We can keep canceling one another, hurting one another, hating one another, or we can stop. The flag is still flying over the Capitol. "

What happened all of a sudden to "I love the taste of liberal tears." Fuck singing kumbaya with these people. I have no common cause with people who wear this:

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... or with people who support them. This is after he joined with a number of other representatives to overturn election results from other states. You can't have peace until you have accountability.
.

The brazen hypocrisy is of course astounding, but he's firmly on the defensive, isn't he?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The brazen hypocrisy is of course astounding, but he's firmly on the defensive, isn't he?

Its a common tactic of bullies that when you're getting ready to bloody their nose, to try to downplay it and "make friends."

 

[littlebabyjesus]

At crux times they become so close they can switch, Mussolini toyed with non-fascist nationalism before going the whole hog, Trump came close, but never quite tipped. As you say, one of the key points (where he is surely right) is that fascism wont come in an obviously directly paralel route to the twenties and thirties.

And in the US specifically, it is never going to come in a form that centres on the State. It's far more likely to take a form that is nominally anti-The State, such as Trump's 'Drain the Swamp'.

 

[Orang Utan]

 

[Nylock]

Almost as if these corporations aren't all that grateful for efforts to destabilize the political system which underpins the regime of exploitation.

Some of those corps are only turning the taps off for 6 months before they go back to business as usual...

 

[Nikkormat]

Worth 27 minutes: Talking Politics podcast / Jill Lepore on the Insurrection

Regarding impeachment, the likelihood of leaving the possible senate trial until some time after Biden has taken office is discussed.

 

[bimble]

The man who wrote that book, the Anatomy of Fascism, saying that he's changed his mind after recent events and thinks the label fits trump fine now.

I've Hesitated to Call Donald Trump a Fascist. Until Now

After last week the label seems not just acceptable, but necessary.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Ax^]

oddly Trump believes the second impeachment is proof of the biggest witch hunt in American history
and removing he from power before the 20th will cause great anger in the USA

ever get the feeling he wants to at least be able to say his inauguration had more people at it than Biden's

and Pence my god will he not go down as the biggest bootlicker in history "boss try's to have a mob kill you, still tow the line"

 

[Lurdan]

Some of those corps are only turning the taps off for 6 months before they go back to business as usual...

Indeed, or even less. Some are stopping all political donations not just those to the Republican Party. And some of it is partly opportunistic 'virtue signalling' and brand building.

Nonetheless, taken as a whole, this is a fairly clear set of public signals to the Republican Party that these corporations are not happy with it's recent actions. And is almost certainly the visible tip of a far greater volume of private communication. How this is taken by the different Republican factions, and what results from that, remains to be seen.

It will not, however, be ignored. Any notion that it might simply be discounted out of 'fear' of the party's trumpian grass roots would IMO be silly.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

 

[petee]

Indeed, or even less.

one reporting period, in some cases.

Companies are making these pledges to avoid a reputational crisis in the days following a violent riot at the United States Capitol. But once the spotlight fades, will they actually follow through?

One fossil fuel lobbyist told the Washington Examiner he does not expect these companies to fulfill their pledges.

Mike McKenna, a fossil fuel industry lobbyist who worked on legislative affairs in the Trump administration, doubts companies taking a stand will fulfill their pledges when it matters.
“The companies that announced that they were pausing political contributions to whoever are being a little weaselly,” McKenna told Josh. “Very few contributions go out the door in January, so pausing contributions doesn’t really mean much. I’m pretty confident that most of the money will eventually flow to the candidates through party, leadership, and other PACs. Like all things involving cash in politics, there’s a lot of misdirection going on.”

Is McKenna right? He is correct that the nation's flimsy campaign finance laws provide companies with all sorts of options. Popular Information will monitor the PAC activity and other political giving of every company that has made pledges over the last few days.

The dam breaks

Last week, Popular Information contacted 144 corporations and asked if they would continue to support the Republican members of Congress who objected to the certification of the Electoral College vote.

popular.info

very good article btw

 

[steveseagull]

McConnell about to stick the knife in Trump's back?

House Votes 223-205 to Call on Pence to Strip Trump of Power (Published 2021)

Lawmakers adopted a resolution that would compel Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment after President Trump incited a mob attack on the Capitol last week. In a letter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi earlier in the evening, Mr. Pence rejected the effort.

www.nytimes.com

 

[hitmouse]

Antifascist researcher Spencer Sunshine on having been "exposed" by Lin Wood as the QAnon Shaman guy: I’ve Been Tracking the Far Right for Years. Then Lin Wood ‘Exposed’ Me as the QAnon Shaman

There are two lessons here, about anti-Semitism and social media. The first is that ideas cooked up by neo-Nazis can get “washed out” by removing references to Jews directly or to obvious codewords, like “Zionist bankers” or “Rothschilds.” But the initial targets who are often Jewish (or labeled as such) are kept, and the whole storyline remains intact. So whereas Nazis and other anti-Semites hold that the “Jews control the left and undermine the virtuous nation,” now “antifa is manipulating protests to discredit the patriots trying to save the nation.” I doubt that very many of the thousands of Trumpists who think I’m Angeli are motivated by anti-Semitism. But once you see the development of the conspiracy theory about me, without the anti-Semitism I would never have become a cut-rate George Soros.

Second, the amazingly quick explosion of these narratives show how short the trip is from the margins to the mainstream for wild conspiracy claims. What is one day a neo-Nazi narrative can the next be something that you see on your aunt’s Facebook post. All it took was one deranged lawyer with a Twitter account to convince millions of people that some guy wearing pajamas in Brooklyn is the secret mastermind behind an unfolding national disgrace.

 

[steveseagull]

 

[quiet guy]

All flocking to drop Trump but none of them will vote on the proposal. There all just trying to distance themselves from the orange loon for fear of contamination by association.
They all need to be held to account once Trump is out.

 

[spitfire]

This article ties in with what we were reading about EXIF data in Parler pics if I read it right.

"Gizmodo has mapped nearly 70,000 geo-located Parler posts and on Tuesday isolated hundreds published on January 6 near the Capitol where a mob of pro-Trump supporters had hoped to overturn a democratic election and keep their president in power. The data shows Parler users posting all throughout the day, documenting their march from the National Mall to Capitol Hill where the violent insurrection ensued.

The precise locations of Parler users inside the building can be difficult to place. The coordinates do not reveal which floors they are on, for instance. Moreover, the data only includes Parler users who posted videos taken on January 6. And the coordinates themselves are only accurate up to an approximate distance of 12 yards (11 meters)."

Parler Users Breached Deep Inside U.S. Capitol Building, GPS Data Shows

At least several users of the far-right social network Parler appear to be among the horde of rioters that managed to penetrate deep inside the U.S.

gizmodo.com

A map created using Parler GPS data shows a flood of protesters leaving the National Mall after a speech by President Donald Trump and heading toward the U.S. Capitol building where a riot ensued.

 

[steveseagull]

According to CNN, Ali Alexander has dropped three Representatives in deep shit.

 

[steveseagull]

Liz Cheney confirms she will vote for impeachment. Is the dam wall going to burst? Her statement is scathing.

"None of this would have happened without the President. The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence. He did not" "

"There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States of his office and his oath to the Constitution."

 

[2hats]

This article ties in with what we were reading about EXIF data in Parler pics if I read it right.

"Gizmodo has mapped nearly 70,000 geo-located Parler posts and on Tuesday isolated hundreds published on January 6 near the Capitol where a mob of pro-Trump supporters had hoped to overturn a democratic election and keep their president in power. The data shows Parler users posting all throughout the day, documenting their march from the National Mall to Capitol Hill where the violent insurrection ensued.

Amusingly, though not surprisingly, 8 or more of those datapoints are located in the grounds of the Whitehouse itself.

 

[Kaka Tim]

According to CNN, Ali Alexander has dropped three Representatives in deep shit.

In what way?

 

[agricola]

According to CNN, Ali Alexander has dropped three Representatives in deep shit.

the key moment there will be when they start using his old name, of course

 

[steveseagull]

In what way?

Gone on record implementing Andy Biggs, chair of the Freedom Caucus, as well as Reps. Paul Gosar and Mo Brooks.

Claimed on video that they were helping him plan the event.

 

[2hats]

In what way?

Before Capitol Riot, Republican Lawmakers Fanned the Flames (Published 2021)

A “1776 moment”: Several of the president’s closest allies in Congress used bellicose language to urge their supporters to attend the Jan. 6 rally that turned into a deadly riot.

www.nytimes.com