US election 2020 thread

[brogdale]

"I am issuing pre-emptive pardons to all administration members INCLUDING myself for protection from FAKE charges the Democrats who stole the election want to bring in! #Muellerhoax #MAGA"

Pre-pardons

Let's hope that his accelerating spiral into madness takes him that far.

 

[bimble]

Another example would be Pompeos shit joke about a 2nd Trump administration being taken seriously by some sections of the media.

I do think it would be a mistake to think that (for instance) was either a joke or not a joke. It's neither / both - its a case of flinging as much chaos and noise around as possible and maybe just maybe it ends up with another four years, but if not you can say of course you were only joking.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

One of the shit ones, with The Donald as scrappy doo

"let me at him, let me at him, I'll move on him like a bitch"

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Another example would be Pompeos shit joke about a 2nd Trump administration being taken seriously by some sections of the media.

Yes and no. I agree that Pompeo wasn't being entirely serious. But I also agree with bimble that he also wasn't entirely joking. He did not at any point acknowledge reality. It was his way of not getting the sack while not looking 100% like a toad. Just 97.5%.

 

[bimble]

Basically just because they will fail this time doesn't make it all that much less fucking mental what's been going on this week. What happens if in 4 years the republicans lose really narrowly, they have shown very clearly what they are willing to go along with.

 

[Raheem]

Yes and no. I agree that Pompeo wasn't being entirely serious. But I also agree with bimble that he also wasn't entirely joking. He did not at any point acknowledge reality. It was his way of not getting the sack while not looking 100% like a toad. Just 97.5%.

He wasn't joking. He was making a statement. He smiled because he knew it was outrageous, not because he was piss-taking. What was behind the statement wasn't necessarily the knowledge that the election could be stolen, he was just saying "We are not conceding".

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Basically just because they will fail this time doesn't make it all that much less fucking mental what's been going on this week. What happens if in 4 years the republicans lose really narrowly, they have shown very clearly what they are willing to go along with.

The lesson the Republicans should be taking from this is that changing the election after the vote, unless it is genuinely knife-edge like 2000, won't work. They need to get their voter suppression groundwork done before the voting.

 

[Raheem]

Basically just because they will fail this time doesn't make it all that much less fucking mental what's been going on this week. What happens if in 4 years the republicans lose really narrowly, they have shown very clearly what they are willing to go along with.

This is the thing. There isn't going to be a coup, but not because of a want of trying.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He wasn't joking. He was making a statement. He smiled because he knew it was outrageous, not because he was piss-taking. What was behind the statement wasn't necessarily the knowledge that the election could be stolen, he was just saying "We are not conceding".

What was behind the smile was the certain knowledge that the election cannot be stolen, but your last bit is of course correct. He was saying what he had to say to keep his job. He still makes himself look ridiculous.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

This is the thing. There isn't going to be a coup, but not because of a want of trying.

Nah. Vanishingly few of the people involved in this - including of course the lawyers presenting the absurd court cases - actually think this could work, let alone that it will work. Nobody is seriously attempting a coup, aside perhaps from the deluded orange one himself.

 

[Idris2002]

So 'fuck them', describe them as 'depraved garbage', where does that end up, what does it achieve? 70m people written off as an enemy in perpetuity?

Let's keep a sense of perspective. There are also 75 million spotless heroes who voted for Biden. The glass is half full.

"Bob and Sally disappeared during the events that later became known as "the trouble"".

 

[bimble]

What was behind the smile was the certain knowledge that the election cannot be stolen, but your last bit is of course correct. He was saying what he had to say to keep his job. He still makes himself look ridiculous.

that's all you think it was? one man trying to keep his job for another few weeks?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

that's all you think it was? one man trying to keep his job for another few weeks?

Remember that he is Secretary of State in the Trump administration. He's a total cunt. He may well be enjoying making people worried just cos that's the kind of thing he enjoys.

 

[existentialist]

This is the thing I think, he absolutely would do it if he could get it done, but he doesn’t understand because he is after all a stupid man, that it won’t work. He does not have a cunning plan if he was only asking about how to line up some faithless electors on Wednesday, same day as me googling them.

This will be part of his "I know how to cut a deal" schtick, won't it? "Pah, rules, schmules, take me to the top bloke and we'll sort it over a game of golf. Simples".

Except he's having a bit of trouble realising that domestic politics isn't quite like snake oil sales. Similar, but different in crucial details.

 

[existentialist]

"I am issuing pre-emptive pardons to all administration members INCLUDING myself for protection from FAKE charges the Democrats who stole the election want to bring in! #Muellerhoax #MAGA"

Otherwise known as "indulgences"

 

[bimble]

This will be part of his "I know how to cut a deal" schtick, won't it? "Pah, rules, schmules, take me to the top bloke and we'll sort it over a game of golf. Simples".

Except he's having a bit of trouble realising that domestic politics isn't quite like snake oil sales. Similar, but different in crucial details.

if that reporting there is accurate it's kind of amazing that trump only got around to pondering whether he could get states to force electors to vote for him (regardless of what the people in those states they are meant to represent wanted) on Wednesday this week. Worst coup ever.
Maybe he'd have had a better chance if he'd not sacked everyone he wasn't related to.

 

[Raheem]

if that reporting there is accurate it's kind of amazing that trump only got around to pondering whether he could get states to force electors to vote for him (regardless of what the people in those states they are meant to represent wanted) on Wednesday this week. Worst coup ever.

Think it's very plausible that Trump didn't engage with any of the detail at all before Wednesday (although there's also no way that that type of gossip is reliable in the first place).

 

[brogdale]

Going well. (Like the use of 'Four Seasons' presser image)

 

[bimble]

A good read this, speculation on what's next for him, a show on RT instead of on fox being a highlight.

Why Trump Can’t Afford to Lose

The President has survived one impeachment, twenty-six accusations of sexual misconduct, and an estimated four thousand lawsuits. What happens when his Presidential immunity is gone?

www.newyorker.com

 

[JTG]

GOP awareness of current affairs is quite something

 

[petee]

Let's keep a sense of perspective. There are also 75 million spotless heroes who voted for Biden. The glass is half full.

77,000,000 please.

 

[JTG]

77,000,000 please.

78,000,000

2020 Popular Vote Tracker | Cook Political Report

cookpolitical.com

 

[elbows]

So Pompeo, Trump's secretary of state, was making a joke at Trump's expense for whose amusement?

Whatever, if I stick around in this thread trying to explain then I will end up being part of something I already said I intend to avoid.

I will fret only if a certain threshold is reached, and since that threshold is nowhere in sight I am done for now. Got better things to worry about than the shit end of this Trump circus.

 

[JTG]

Various people now calling NC for Trump and GA for Biden, giving a consensus EC map of 306-232

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Various people now calling NC for Trump and GA for Biden, giving a consensus EC map of 306-232

Landslide

 

[8ball]

78,000,000

2020 Popular Vote Tracker | Cook Political Report

cookpolitical.com

But with so many millions voting for Trump, I still find it hard to see the glass as half full.

 

[belboid]

Republicans have dropped the Arizona court case too. Room for manoeuvre getting narrower and narrower.

 

[8ball]

Anyone have any idea what Trump thinks is going to happen at this point?

 

[steveseagull]

CNN is definitely not as polished as BBC News and Sky News are. There are all sorts of screw ups and bad cutting into other segments. I like it

 

[two sheds]

Anyone have any idea what Trump thinks is going to happen at this point?