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Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Just meant they'll drag out these attempts at a legal challenge for a while yet, with ever diminishing returns. I agree, trump is out in January.
elbows
Well-Known Member
For sure he would like to maintain a brand he can profit from, and there are others who are not ready to abandon the opportunities they think he offers. But this is a sideshow compared to some of the higher stakes stuff some people are winding themselves up with recently, stuff that is very unlikely to happen.
JimW
支那暗杀团
Here's Trump deploying out of state national guard in DC just recently: Trump withdraws out-of-state National Guard members from D.C.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
My guess. Trump will be irrelevant in far less than 2 years. Biden has said privately that he does not intend to speak to Trump ever again after 20 January. The GOP will be shedding themselves of him from that date as well. He might want to lead a tiny cult group a la David Icke, I don't know. Otherwise, he disappears completely, consumed by the mess of his disintegrating business empire and shunned by those in power.
everyone would love it if he was, and in theory he might be. but in practice, doubtful.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
At one level, I don't care what trump does next, providing its painful, but it is an interesting question. He's going to stick to his 'I won' line, which means he won't easily fall into the usual ex president role of a presidential library and rubber chicken circuit. Sure, he can return to deals, megalomania and golf, but it's all going to feel a bit unsatisfying? Unfortunately the rapey shitbag isn't going to face justice.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Maybe he could get in touch with the owner of Fantasy Island in Philadelphia so that he can start stocking up his Presidential Library?
It could be the first one with booths.
andysays
Love and solidarity
If the military gets (or even just threatens to get) involved in a transfer of power that pretty much rules out it qualifying as "peaceful" though.
(I'm not suggesting the military is going to get involved, in case anyone's worried)
gosub
~#
My guess, defense exports that he's gamed an illegal commission in there somewhere
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
If it comes to dragging him out physically (please let it do so) then the US has plenty of non-military forces that can send half a dozen beefy individuals to do it, the Secret Service, the US Marshals, the FBI, even the DC PD if need be. It doesn't exactly need Seal Team 6 to shift him.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
Please don't spoil it.
maomao
普費斯
The '3.5% rule': How a small minority can change the world
Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.
www.bbc.com
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
I think they should use guns though, just in case. Machetes. Rattlesnakes*. Guillotines.
*Personal preference. Other snakes are available.
bimble
floofy
I find this assertion that "the narrative is set" by the tv networks and the newspapers and therefore all else is noise quite bizarre.
In the two polls we've had on here today the percentage of Americans who say they feel confident there'll be a peaceful normal transition to the Biden administration is between just under half to 60%.
That in itself is extraordinary isn't it, if you just zoom out for a moment, as proof of the impact of the 'alternative narrative'. I find it weird that people here feel so certain whilst half the people there don't, of such a basic thing.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
One of those polls had more than 60% of Trump supporters believing that the courts will overturn the result. Sometime large numbers of people get stuff wrong.
But also, define 'peaceful' in that context. Polls are only every very rough guides to what people think. I would have said 'not peaceful' directly after Trump's live meltdown last Wednesday, for instance.
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rubbershoes
not the only raver in the village
Please make it seal team 6. Same method as before please, guys
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
The first presidential library to be stocked exclusively with The Art of the Deal and porn.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Because it was all going far too quickly until now:
Georgia announces recount by hand
Georgia's secretary of state has announced a full recount of the vote by hand.
Joe Biden leads in the Peach State by around 14,000 votes, Secretary Brad Raffensperger said.
"That'll be what we certify, that'll be the last count," he told reporters. "It's an audit, recanvass and recount all in one. It'll be a process that gets it all."
Raffensperger added that Georgia was in the same part of the election process as other states, like North Carolina and Texas, but those states didn't have such a close margin.
"We understand the national significance," he added. "We're doing this because it's really what makes the most sense... We have to run a statewide audit."
Georgia announces recount by hand
Georgia's secretary of state has announced a full recount of the vote by hand.
Joe Biden leads in the Peach State by around 14,000 votes, Secretary Brad Raffensperger said.
"That'll be what we certify, that'll be the last count," he told reporters. "It's an audit, recanvass and recount all in one. It'll be a process that gets it all."
Raffensperger added that Georgia was in the same part of the election process as other states, like North Carolina and Texas, but those states didn't have such a close margin.
"We understand the national significance," he added. "We're doing this because it's really what makes the most sense... We have to run a statewide audit."
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Raheem
Well-Known Member
And unread bibles.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
ska invita
back on the other side
The possibility of Trump somehow holding on to power seems ludicrous - everyone arguing that on this thread are being sensible and level headed.
But Steve Bannons* words have been ringing through my head throughout Trumps presidency: "I am a Leninist. Lenin wanted to destroy the state and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down and destroy all of today’s establishment." Establishment politics is based on a good degree of playing the game nicely, and going along with protocol. There are checks and balances within the system, but they've not been tested to destruction.
There are massive unknowns as to what a President like Trump could do in such as situation, nor what the reaction would be.
The fact is the potential for Trump to use every trick to cling on exists.
Who can guess what he might do, state of emergency, insurrection act, calling on mass civil disobedience, fuck only knows - whether he tries it, or whether it works, is neither here nor there - have to wait and see. You don't get any extra points for predicting the next two months correctly. The key thing is I wouldn't put it past him to try, and that in itself is important. There's no point looking at US precedent because Trumps presidency is unprecedented.
That sick feeling about all this is a good one to hold on to I think - this particular crisis might pass smoothly enough, but the conditions that create such moments are going nowhere, and acts of neo-fascism, call it what you will, are being carried out in states around the world, increasingly so from what I can tell. We should feel sick about that.
(*I appreciate Steve Bannon is out the picture somewhat at the moment, but he wont be the only advisor and strategist with this mind set in Trumps circle)
But Steve Bannons* words have been ringing through my head throughout Trumps presidency: "I am a Leninist. Lenin wanted to destroy the state and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down and destroy all of today’s establishment." Establishment politics is based on a good degree of playing the game nicely, and going along with protocol. There are checks and balances within the system, but they've not been tested to destruction.
There are massive unknowns as to what a President like Trump could do in such as situation, nor what the reaction would be.
The fact is the potential for Trump to use every trick to cling on exists.
Who can guess what he might do, state of emergency, insurrection act, calling on mass civil disobedience, fuck only knows - whether he tries it, or whether it works, is neither here nor there - have to wait and see. You don't get any extra points for predicting the next two months correctly. The key thing is I wouldn't put it past him to try, and that in itself is important. There's no point looking at US precedent because Trumps presidency is unprecedented.
That sick feeling about all this is a good one to hold on to I think - this particular crisis might pass smoothly enough, but the conditions that create such moments are going nowhere, and acts of neo-fascism, call it what you will, are being carried out in states around the world, increasingly so from what I can tell. We should feel sick about that.
(*I appreciate Steve Bannon is out the picture somewhat at the moment, but he wont be the only advisor and strategist with this mind set in Trumps circle)
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maomao
普費斯
I think it's infinitely more sensible to maintain a healthy level of paranoia and think about what ifs than to put your faith in Jeb Bush and the US justice system.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Twitter is not your friend in the paranoia stakes, I fear.
DC isn't a state and the ultimate power there is Congress & the President. He can do stuff there that he can't in any other part of the US
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I do hope there's a shark involved in Trump's ultimate removal from office.
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