US election 2020 thread

[Raheem]

So are Mexico going to pay for the wall then?!

Maybe they will offer to cover the demolition.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think the idea was that he could temporarily step down (?) and have Pence pardon him, then step up again (batshit but... ). Is that, specifically, not legal at state level, then?

Presidential pardon only counts for federal offences. State offences aren't covered.

As I understand it, he doesn't step down then up again. He just steps down. Pence then has to be formally sworn in as President. Then Pence pardons him.

It's theoretically possible. But it won't happen.

 

[prunus]

I think the idea was that he could temporarily step down (?) and have Pence pardon him, then step up again (batshit but... ). Is that, specifically, not legal at state level, then?

Presidential pardons only work at the federal level, for federal crimes. A president can’t pardon someone from state crimes. I think...

 

[elbows]

Plus dont pardons only work after you've been charged and convicted?

 

[killer b]

trump seeing any kind of justice is a liberal wank fantasy and you should probably forget about it happening.

 

[two sheds]

even tax evasion from NYC?

 

[killer b]

yeah, sorry.

 

[LeytonCatLady]

 

[sheothebudworths]

trump seeing any kind of justice is a liberal wank fantasy and you should probably forget about it happening.

Could you explain why?

 

[frogwoman]

'Commence with' bombing Syria? Trump was already bombing Syria .

And Trump is not going to be arrested lol. Not sure having the 'world's greatest democracy' lock up ex presidents who received 70 million votes would set a great precedent tbh, no matter how much he deserved it

 

[killer b]

because of power and how it works in the united states. and most other places tbf. but especially there.

 

[JTG]

I think the idea was that he could temporarily step down (?) and have Pence pardon him, then step up again (batshit but... ). Is that, specifically, not legal at state level, then?

Basically, he's not the President of New York and has no power over their legislation or justice system

 

[JTG]

Joe Biden is now over 9,000 votes ahead in Georgia. Still going to a recount but he almost certainly won't lose it

 

[frogwoman]

Because it's an established democratic norm that the winners of an election don't immediately set about imprisoning their opponents, it's one of the reasons why people got so upset about Trump's Hillary 'lock her up' chant in 2016

And Biden is not going to do it even if he wanted to (I've seen little evidence he does)

 

[two sheds]

I do think the tax evasion might be different though - there is a mob related precedent.

 

[Yossarian]

Not looking good for the UK.

I was glad to see that clip is from January - Biden getting infected with the coronavirus at a scrum full of unmasked reporters the same day he got elected would be unfortunate, and strongly reminiscent of the Trump administration.

 

[Raheem]

because of power and how it works in the united states. and most other places tbf. but especially there.

Powerful people have all sorts of advantages everywhere but not always invulnerability.

 

[JTG]

Because it's kind of an established democratic norm that the winners of an election don't immediately set about imprisoning their opponents, it's one of the reasons why people got so upset about Trump's Hillary 'lock her up' chant in 2016

The State of New York didn't win the election though
I mean, it may not happen, idk, but my point is that New York State will do what they please with the investigation

 

[Cid]

Mike Pence has been conspicuous by his absence the last few days.
Escaped Berlin before the fall while Trump fiddles in his (sand) bunker.

Negotiating with the Swedish.

 

[frogwoman]

The State of New York didn't win the election though
I mean, it may not happen, idk, but my point is that New York State will do what they please with the investigation

Biden will probably avoid commenting on it tho

 

[MrSki]

I was glad to see that clip is from January - Biden getting infected with the coronavirus at a scrum full of unmasked reporters the same day he got elected would be unfortunate, and strongly reminiscent of the Trump administration.

Do you think his views will have changed?

 

[frogwoman]

Can you imagine the fall out if trump went to prison lol. Pay a fine yes quite possibly but I don't think he is going to jail .

 

[JTG]

Biden will probably avoid commenting on it tho

I think he'll avoid any mention of his predecessor from now onwards

 

[sheothebudworths]

because of power and how it works in the united states. and most other places tbf. but especially there.

Oh, that.

Perhaps I should've asked for a response to the article, instead of to myself.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Negotiating with the Swedish.

AHEM

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Plus dont pardons only work after you've been charged and convicted?

Ford pardoned Nixon for everything he did - known or unknown at the time of the pardon - while president. So no. They do, however, according to Ford at least, involve an admission of guilt. But this isn't going to happen with Trump. His problems will come from elsewhere.

 

[frogwoman]

Tbh I'm not convinced it would be the most productive use of time or set a great precedent if he did go to jail. I mean I'd love to see him hit with masses of fines but sending him down could do a lot more harm than good especially in the highly febrile atmosphere America is in now. And it would also keep him in the news.

 

[Cid]

AHEM

<denies everything>

 

[JTG]

Oh my god, they're trying to negotiate

 

[two sheds]

Tbh I'm not convinced it would be the most productive use of time or set a great precedent if he did go to jail. I mean I'd love to see him hit with masses of fines but sending him down could do a lot more harm than good especially in the highly febrile atmosphere America is in now. And it would also keep him in the news.

I feel you're right, it would be nice to see him in an orange jump suit though