moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Yep in his mind he is the greatest president ever and everyone else thinks so too. Therefore if the results say he is losing then it must be fraud!
US election 2020 thread
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Just chucking a couple of things in.
It's possible that state legislatures could just... refuse to acknowledge the vote and appoint their own choice of electors for the EC. Bear in mind that Georgia has a GOP legislature and governor while Pennsylvania has a GOP legislature and Dem governor. If there's no decision by Dec 8th, the legislatures could make their own choice (Florida was on the verge of doing this in 2000 before the Supreme Court handed the election to Bush).
More here: Could a Southern state legislature hand Electoral College delegates to Trump?
Congress decides whether to accept state imposed delegations to the EC at the start of January. That could be a problem with Mike Pence as VP.
It aint necessarily over if state houses decide to go rogue
It's possible that state legislatures could just... refuse to acknowledge the vote and appoint their own choice of electors for the EC. Bear in mind that Georgia has a GOP legislature and governor while Pennsylvania has a GOP legislature and Dem governor. If there's no decision by Dec 8th, the legislatures could make their own choice (Florida was on the verge of doing this in 2000 before the Supreme Court handed the election to Bush).
More here: Could a Southern state legislature hand Electoral College delegates to Trump?
Congress decides whether to accept state imposed delegations to the EC at the start of January. That could be a problem with Mike Pence as VP.
It aint necessarily over if state houses decide to go rogue
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It was quite a coup when arsenal won the league at Auld Trafford
What is happening in the us is not a coup as your coup d'etat uses portions of the state machinery, famously the military, to overthrow the existing regime
The absence of an intervention from senior Republican figures makes me wonder, are they just allowing Trump to splash around and end up treading water until he sinks without trace.
Therefore protecting themselves from recrimination from Trump’s acolytes.
I think the military have been quite clear that they're not getting involved - it has come up before (not in the last couple of days but fairly recently).
I do wonder what the secret services will be making of it all
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Those with any sense are just keeping their heads down and trying to get splashed with as little shit as possible
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danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Praying, by the looks of it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
We're not worthy from Wayne's world
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Yes. This supposed fascist government is about to be voted out of office. It has been in office for four years, two years ago it lost Congress, it has not banned other political parties, it has not banned unions, it does not have a paramilitary army (yes there are nut jobs but there not not equivalent to the forces fascist movements had at their disposal), more than a few Republicans are already drawing away from Trump.
EDIT: Radical right populism does share some similarities with fascism but there are also a hell of a lot of differences. And those differences need to be considered when developing a political response to these populist radical right parties. Part of their success has been exactly because the response has been simply to dismiss them as fascist. And while Trump is looking very likely to lose populism is not going anywhere.
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nogojones
spelling is overrated
If you know him that well, he should be calling you by your first name by now
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Yup, “faithless” electoral college votes do happen. There were some last time, though not enough to change the outcome. But given that it does happen, it’s conceivable that enough might cast “faithless” votes to change the outcome. It’s not something you’d ordinarily consider possible, but what’s ordinary any more?
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
When I was at primary school in the 60's they would occasionally march us all down to the local church and I used to think God lived behind the organ pipes (presumably because we always faced them), It reminded me of that presumably these wacko's think God has taken up residence in the Electoral Office
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Not the oval office then
Not even faithless - a whole new Trump delegation. Possibly two delegations from the same state with Congress deciding which to accept
This "how to stop a coup" checklist from September accurately predicted the current situation.
It adds:
wagingnonviolence.org
It adds:
10 things you need to know to stop a coup
While keeping people focused on a strong, robust election process is a must, we also need to prepare for a coup.
wagingnonviolence.org
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Very different meaning to doing it when you know it doesn't matter though.
Tbh the reaction of the GOP so far has been pathetic, but there is no way Trump continues as president now. Everyone sane knows who has won this election. It's probably not even going to be that close in the end. It's not like 2000 when one of the reasons given for the Dems to give in was, bizarrely, in order not to discredit Democracy.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Put it this way. The state legislatures aren't necessarily bound by the result of the vote if the clock is run down on that December 8th deadline
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Well, yes. And like I say, it’s not something you’d normally consider possible.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Just to expand on what I said above. The insistence on separating the populist radical right from fascism is not pedantry, some academic point or to play down the threat of the Trump, the RN, etc. It is precisely because the populist radical right are such a danger (in fact at the current time I'd argue they are a greater danger than the extreme right) that it is important to distinguish the two.
My politics are very different from Cas Mudde's but I agree with him that the extreme right and populist radical right are different. The former have been around for a considerable time and while at the individual level they are certainly dangerous and harmful they are a small minority that are limited (in Mudde's terminology a pathological normalcy). The populist radical right on the other hand are growing, they are becoming increasingly normalised and even when they are not getting elected they are having a political effect. There absolutely needs to be a political (not just electoral) response to the radical right and that response will only be successful if it is capable of recognising what the populist radical right actually is.
My politics are very different from Cas Mudde's but I agree with him that the extreme right and populist radical right are different. The former have been around for a considerable time and while at the individual level they are certainly dangerous and harmful they are a small minority that are limited (in Mudde's terminology a pathological normalcy). The populist radical right on the other hand are growing, they are becoming increasingly normalised and even when they are not getting elected they are having a political effect. There absolutely needs to be a political (not just electoral) response to the radical right and that response will only be successful if it is capable of recognising what the populist radical right actually is.
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baldrick
hmmmmm
I don't know if this has already been posted - I'm at work and don't have time to check 13 pages since yesterday 
ANN Election Data
Battleground state changes, updated every five minutes using NYT data.
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ska invita
back on the other side
The lack of meaningful intervention from senior establishment figures throughout has been pathetic and enabling. What Bernie Sanders said above has been missing for the last 4 years. I appreciate Biden now has a peacemaking role to play, but there's been too much pussyfooting going on.
The UK isn't immune from this, it's happily amplified Farage, Banks, Bannon... the Tories have culled those not on board, won an election in imitation, refused to condemn, formed pacts etc etc. Luckily Johnson appears to be falling apart at the seems.
In the US the establishment has been doing 'friendly fascism' for decades, so it's hard for them to know which way to jump once the friendly bit becomes less so.
ska invita
back on the other side
That's true, and Trump doesn't have that support, and he won't stay in power...but he does have millions of supporters and a good number are very riled up and there's two months before power is handed over... Still a high chance of violence once the election is called.
It might be reassuring to think this is a peak moment but the US and the rest of the world is going into a deep Covid recession, poverty is going to deepen further, Biden set to be a lame duck, and so the underlying breeding ground conditions for further authoritarianism / neofascism seem ripe.
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