I know in the heat of the moment it's easy to just post the first thing that you find through google that looks like it supports whatever your point is without bothering reading it. We all get caught out by that occasionally. You can't really complain when you get called on it though.
US Democratic Party Primaries 2019
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Who is complaining?
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Looks like Warren the Wrecker won't be with us much longer:
www.politico.com
Warren team turns grim after Super Tuesday wipeout
Her campaign has massive overhead, and she's facing hard political and financial decisions about whether to keep going.
www.politico.com
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Looks like Warren the Wrecker won't be with us much longer:
Warren team turns grim after Super Tuesday wipeout
Her campaign has massive overhead, and she's facing hard political and financial decisions about whether to keep going.
The only conceivable reason for Warren to remain in the field would be to damage Sanders, it's also the only way she can bankroll her campaign going forward.
I think Warren will do the right thing which is to withdraw and endorse Sanders. But, no doubt the Democrat machine will now apply pressure on her. It would destroy her left credentials, and the entire offer she has put forward. But this is the Democrats.
Here is how that might play out (let's hope the link is okay with 'Killer B'
):
It’s Time to Drop Out, Senator Warren
After her woeful Super Tuesday results, Elizabeth Warren has next to no chance of winning more delegates than Bernie Sanders. But she has a plan for that — only it’s the opposite of everything she once stood for. (And it won’t even work.)
jacobinmag.com
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
I think she will do the right thing, but recognise why she might not. But, it will be a catastrophic error in judgement for Warren if she ploughs on for two reaasons that will be blindingly obvious to all 1. There is no way she becomes the unity candidate. The Dem establishment don't want Warren, even if there is a contested convention - they've gone all in with Biden. 2. Warren can only continue as a spoiler candidate. A stop Sanders wrecker. If she does that she destroys her reputation as a liberal with a genuine populist appeal .
Should still be Weekend at Bernie’s
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
Isnt she an ex Republican? Her whole thing is government intervention to make capitalism work better. Doesn't that make her a typical neoliberal?
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
They should be worrying about disaffected Democratic voters.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Not only that, but the progressives are going to have to resign themselves to forming a third party. They don't really have a home in the Democratic party and there's little hope that any of the policies they'd like to see are going to be enacted in the next 8-12 years. I know the usual criticism about splitting the votes allows the Republicans to win. However, I think we're going to see a branch of the Republicans split off into another party too. It will be better to do that when the other party is splitting off itself too. That's probably a more natural separation of the voters into parties than the two-party system.
flypanam
Sausage to fortune
Good post as your based in the States do you think that Bernie has the appitite to run as an Independent? I'm not really up on this but didn't Perot's run help build the hard right of the GOP?
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
No, I think he'll fall in line like he did in 2016. However, he is training the next generation to take over after him, and I think they do have the will to challenge the status quo. It just won't be in 2020. Give the Millennials another four years to grow into the job, and for more of my generation to kark it, and we'll see what happens. I just hope we have that long to fix things.
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Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
That makes me think he was a deliberate spoiler candidate - or am I underestimating the vanity of the truly rich and sociopathic?
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
You might be. If you look at his performance in the debates, he obviously expected his money alone to get him the nomination. They did change quite a few rules to get him on stage. They wouldn't have done that for anyone who hadn't given them a shit-ton of money. They sure didn't bend over backwards to have Corey Booker or Kamala Harris (etc) on the stage. If it wasn't about the ego, he'd have used that half-billion dollars to fund a bid to takeover the Senate from the Republicans.
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Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
Bloomberg is now out
She's actually won some delegates now, I wouldn't count her out. Yet. Especially as she's doing such a sterling job of hobbling Sanders on behalf of the corporate wing of the DP.Looks like Warren the Wrecker won't be with us much longer:
Warren team turns grim after Super Tuesday wipeout
Her campaign has massive overhead, and she's facing hard political and financial decisions about whether to keep going.
I have a bad feeling that Warren might be committed to run to the bitter end as she has already alienated herself from the more progressive end of the DP... I hope I'm wrong though. Dropping out and backing Sanders might be the first non-fucky thing she will have done all through the primaries...
If all else fails, she can always flip back to being a Republican...
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Do you think pressure can be put on Sanders to run as an independent?
I'm sure I read that at one point in the last campaign he had 500,000 people making direct debit donations to his campaign. That basically is a new party. He really wasted that by endorsing Clinton.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Why? And how do you think it’ll play out?
Given her positioning and stated values I think it’d destroy her credibility not to withdraw
Proper Tidy
Arsed
I haven't been following closely and don't fully understand the primary/delegate system, but the guardian claimed in its breathless 'great night for biden' coverage this morning that biden had taken votes from two demographics - african americans; and people who voted trump last time.
Is there any truth in that latter claim?
Is there any truth in that latter claim?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Yeah it will but I don't think she'll withdraw and she definitely won't endorse Sanders.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
If she’s still in by the next round I’ll agree with you.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Fair let's see.
Yossarian
⏭️
I shouldn't be surprised, but the scale of the pro-Biden media bias seems enormous - Joe Biden unquestionably had a very good night and has a lot of momentum behind him, but I think if their positions had been reversed, the headlines might have been "Biden Has Landslide Win in California and Comes Close in Texas After Massive Surge in Latino Support."
Yossarian
⏭️
Yep, she's a former Republican and not be trusted - even at her best she's still an extremely poor substitute for Bernie Sanders.
She gets some bonus points, however, for how she completely destroyed Bloomberg within the first couple of minutes of the first debate he took part in, sending him into a tailspin he never recovered from.
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