Urban v's the Commentariat
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Fozzie Bear
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Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
Gyrating and singing.
To be fair, that would be a marked improvement on the infamous Workers Power paper sale fiasco.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
You're just not ready for her jelly.
rekil
to menny cranks
el-ahrairah
forward communism, forward gerbils!
like, give them warm soup, lucozade, and lemsip?
Fozzie Bear
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Critical of intersectional theory? You're part the nostalgic left...
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/andrewnflood/nostalgic-left
http://anarchism.pageabode.com/andrewnflood/nostalgic-left
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Thatchers dead you say?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Andrew may be talking mince here, but I don't see how he's part of the commentariat. It is noteworthy, I suppose, that the WSM seem to be drifting towards this stuff.
Yeah of course not, wasn't implying he was, just seemed like the best place for it given the subject of the text - no doubt he wouldn't be discussing intersectionality, etc. without the popularisation of these ideas by the commentariat proper and twitter, etc.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
That critique would have a lot more weight if the intersectional post-left or whatever weren't utterly shite at anything that wasn't attacking people on twitter or bollocking on about representation in the meedja.
Limerick Red
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Kevin Doyle of the WSM, summerises one of the tennants of James O'Briens the-wsm-a-political-analysis
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The sounds like Nice one
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
christ, that's some bleak shit man.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
It's interesting precisely because the WSM were perhaps the most serious attempt to build an anarchist group in the English speaking world in recent years. So their failings (and successes) are more revealing than those of groups that were ramshackle and ineffectual to the core.
They seem to be in rag order these days.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Andrew Flood has always talked balls and been happy for the WSM to flit between a tight, theoretical group as imagined in the Platform (with reading lists for would be members etc) to an anti capitalist activist organisation and now it seems looking to manoeuvre itself at these intersectionalist twitter twats. WSM have pretty much been the SWP of anarchism in how they relate to movements.
The platformist tradition was meant to be an anchor of theoretical insight amidst the maelstrom of history, so it's ironic that the modern Platform groups are so footloose about nearly everything from union elections, works councils, national liberation and now the twitter twats.
The platformist tradition was meant to be an anchor of theoretical insight amidst the maelstrom of history, so it's ironic that the modern Platform groups are so footloose about nearly everything from union elections, works councils, national liberation and now the twitter twats.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Rather than doing the "anarchist are petit-bourgeois individualists" schtick, you lot should just roll that article out when trying to recruit anarchists...
Limerick Red
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How so?
revol68
what, fucking what?
dropping previous positions in order to recruit. enthusiastically embracing every new movement quite uncritically.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
They actually try to identify where they might find possible recruits and then try to recruit them. This is considered terrible behaviour in most anarchist circles.
That's the core complaint, although revol does have a fairer point in that the WSM do seem to adapt their politics to these potential recruits to a degree.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
No, but the membership of any revolutionary organisation larger than a group of mates will be.
Limerick Red
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Think they were very critical of Occupy, Anonymous, Freeman.
Bin Charges, CATHT,S2S etc they would have being insane not to enthusiastically embrace. What other movements are you referring to?
revol68
what, fucking what?
It's not the engaging with those issues that are the problem, it's the watering down or changing of their positions to recruit from various spheres. See their support for the SIPTU general secretary election campaign, their call for Nationalisation of the Shell refinery and their long running attempt to recruit out of the republican socialist millieu by marketing anarchism as the more radical means of "freeing Ireland".
Limerick Red
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JmcB one of their stalwarts was recruited out of the republican movement, they never really made any bones about "freeing Ireland",their position has not changed here (as far as I can see).
To be fair I dont know alot about the SIPTU stuff, but I just don't see how they could be compared to the SWP.
I really dont understand your criticisms, but then again Im not an anarchist.
WSM adjust their positions to the situation, what bastards
Basically they're not purists who slag off and refuse to engage with the 99% of active people who don't share their politics.
Basically they're not purists who slag off and refuse to engage with the 99% of active people who don't share their politics.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
WSM adjust their positions to the situation, what bastards
Basically they're not purists who slag off and refuse to engage with the 99% of active people who don't share their politics.
Well that's the central anarchist objection, yes.
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