Urban, you are tasked to fix the Met Police force!

[Pickman's model]

Some of the surrounding county forces are equally useless. Essex police are notorious for their ineffectiveness and historical corruption.

Kent and Sussex are shits too

 

[eatmorecheese]

Alongside sone structural reforms mentioned above, beginning with a complete disbandment of the Met, I'd like the career pathway of each officer to be massively scrutinised.

Officers should face independent panels of citizens representative of London demographics every two years where they decide whether an officer is 'fit to practice'. The panel could suspend or dismiss officers independently of the police hierarchy, from PCSOs to the leaders. There should be a central focus on ethics, possibly assessed through role playing scenarios where conscious and unconscious bias is explored, as well as the officer's work record and online profile. It should be an independently monitored profession.

An officer could be referred to this panel at any time if needed, but all police employees would attend every two years.

Not thought this through, but it might be a start.

 

[bmd]

Only because he made up some bullshit story about the car being driven in a dangerous manner so he looked up the reg.

One could argue that part was within policing standards. However him then tracking down her social media profiles was not. I do not believe that part is within policing standards, because show me the bit in the manual that says bring criminals to justice by liking their Instagram posts.

Yeah, sorry, I was just taking the piss really. The rock bottom standards of the police cannot be stepped outside of, even by a sexual predator within their ranks.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Alongside sone structural reforms mentioned above, beginning with a complete disbandment of the Met, I'd like the career pathway of each officer to be massively scrutinised.

Officers should face independent panels of citizens representative of London demographics every two years where they decide whether an officer is 'fit to practice'. The panel could suspend or dismiss officers independently of the police hierarchy, from PCSOs to the leaders. There should be a central focus on ethics, possibly assessed through role playing scenarios where conscious and unconscious bias is explored, as well as the officer's work record and online profile. It should be an independently monitored profession.

An officer could be referred to this panel at any time if needed, but all police employees would attend every two years.

Not thought this through, but it might be a start.

Can't really see that happening. It's pretty clear most serving filth don't give a shit about the public's opinion on them. They'd all just quit.

 

[eatmorecheese]

Can't really see that happening. It's pretty clear most serving filth don't give a shit about the public's opinion on them. They'd all just quit.

Good

 

[Humberto]

Having acknowledged too little too late, begrudgingly, that change is needed, they need to have their feet held to the fire. If some of the worst criminals and most shocking crimes are often being committed by police officers, and particularly, but not limited to the Met Police (although it can be here) then one instance is far too many. A large number though as we have seen so often and it is clearly the criminals with a consistent organistational culture wielding police powers.

I wish 'they' would just fucking get on with it for the sake of public safety and welfare. It's disgraceful. Practical changes have been proffered on here. Who knows when those with such supposed duties will catch up. The police cannot be above the law. No exceptions. In fact if they 'defile' the supposed duty that they are paid to carry out, ostensibly by the tax-payer, then they should be taken off-duty as a priority. No questions. And they need to be dealt with with the severity required. It's fucking wild-west shit (i.e. byword for lawlessness) at the moment with the status quo. Ok it looks like it from from the outside without meaning to offend anyone with hyperbole.

How long are you supposed to put up with it? It's just irrational to let the double-standards, toothless supposed 'accountability' procedures and organisational inertia to continue. That is by those who, ostensibly, are through the chain of command meant to uphold justice. Because this isn't it.

 

[Sue]

Is the uk police force the last preserve of the sex offender? My idea is to DBS each officer, every year. Any intelligence regarding that police officer’s behaviour must be on there. Pull them from the force until it’s resolved.

No. Clearly not.

 

[kenny g]

It's all starting to sound a bit Junior Marvin. Some of the suggestions on here are impractical and would in effect result in any criminal being able to end the career of an investigating officer by making an unfounded allegation.
What is needed is an investment in community policing allied with a robust, professional and skilled investigating/ detective arm comprised of specialist squads focused on particular crimes/ networks i.e corporate fraud/ "romance" fraud/ advance fee fraud/ burglary/ domestic abuse/ sexual offences/ violent crime etc.
There should be an entirely independent police professional standards body who have beyond police powers and heightened access to Officer's personal bank accounts/ mobile evidence etc. There should be a presumption of transparency in terms of officer's human rights.

 

[Pickman's model]

Tbh I don't suppose people would be much worse off, and in some ways better, if the Met simply disappeared.

 

[bmd]

No. Clearly not.

Really don't get your problem with me but putting that aside for a moment, my thought, in case you were at all interested, was that the Church, schools, children's homes, boy's clubs, and siimilar have all been the focus of paedophiles in the past but now seem to have put more resources into dealing with their infestations. Predators look for the vulnerable, over whom they use their power to control. The police is, possibly, the last preserve of a person looking for power over the vulnerable. Of course, you could have asked me to clarify but, ime, you're quite an unpleasant character who just wishes to be a cunt to certain people, so why would you?

 

[Sue]

Really don't get your problem with me

I don't have a problem with you. But if you say something stupid like this:

Is the uk police force the last preserve of the sex offender?

getting a rolling eyes response doesn't exactly feel disproportionate.

but putting that aside for a moment, my thought, in case you were at all interested, was that the Church, schools, children's homes, boy's clubs, and siimilar have all been the focus of paedophiles in the past but now seem to have put more resources into dealing with their infestations. Predators look for the vulnerable, over whom they use their power to control. The police is, possibly, the last preserve of a person looking for power over the vulnerable.

Things may have improved at an institutional level in such organizations (although I'm sure there's more to do) but of course there are still sex offenders in churches, children's homes etc. As there are in the police. As there are in society as a whole.

Of course, you could have asked me to clarify but, ime, you're quite an unpleasant character who just wishes to be a cunt to certain people, so why would you?

That feels a touch disproportionate but whatever.

 

[bmd]

I don't have a problem with you. But if you say something stupid like this:



getting a rolling eyes response doesn't exactly feel disproportionate.

Things may have improved at an institutional level in such organizations (although I'm sure there's more to do) but of course there are still sex offenders in churches, children's homes etc. As there are in the police. As there are in society as a whole.

That feels a touch disproportionate but whatever.

It was a general point. I'm sorry I have to clarify that for you and, of course, you would understand that but then you either have a remarkably acerbic posting style that I only notice once I come up against it or you're doing that thing of "what? me?" Ime, it's the latter.

 

[Sue]

It was a general point. I'm sorry I have to clarify that for you and, of course, you would understand that but then you either have a remarkably acerbic posting style that I only notice once I come up against it or you're doing that thing of "what? me?" Ime, it's the latter.

I don't recall ever coming across you before tbh so whatever. Leaving this here as this feels a bit pointless.

 

[bmd]

I don't recall ever coming across you before tbh so whatever. Leaving this here as this feels a bit pointless.

That's due to me not fucking with you. I'm sure you'll forget this soon enough too.

 

[equationgirl]

It's all starting to sound a bit Junior Marvin. Some of the suggestions on here are impractical and would in effect result in any criminal being able to end the career of an investigating officer by making an unfounded allegation.
What is needed is an investment in community policing allied with a robust, professional and skilled investigating/ detective arm comprised of specialist squads focused on particular crimes/ networks i.e corporate fraud/ "romance" fraud/ advance fee fraud/ burglary/ domestic abuse/ sexual offences/ violent crime etc.
There should be an entirely independent police professional standards body who have beyond police powers and heightened access to Officer's personal bank accounts/ mobile evidence etc. There should be a presumption of transparency in terms of officer's human rights.

Without evidence, how will unfounded accusations be taken seriously?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Alongside sone structural reforms mentioned above, beginning with a complete disbandment of the Met, I'd like the career pathway of each officer to be massively scrutinised.

Officers should face independent panels of citizens representative of London demographics every two years where they decide whether an officer is 'fit to practice'. The panel could suspend or dismiss officers independently of the police hierarchy, from PCSOs to the leaders. There should be a central focus on ethics, possibly assessed through role playing scenarios where conscious and unconscious bias is explored, as well as the officer's work record and online profile. It should be an independently monitored profession.

An officer could be referred to this panel at any time if needed, but all police employees would attend every two years.

Not thought this through, but it might be a start.

And while all this is going on, who will do the actual policing?

 

[hash tag]

"To start let’s brainstorm for suggestions, remember no idea is wrong!"

Arm them

or let Penny take over

 

[Sasaferrato]

I think that the Met is suffering from 'Too big to fail' syndrome.

The sheer size of the task, and the practicalities of maintaining a police service in the interim, makes it it extremely unlikely that the Met will ever be broken up, or reorganised in any meaningful way.

It is one hell of a dilemma, it is not fit for purpose, and hasn't been for a long time, if ever.

Breaking the single force down into freestanding divisional forces might help, but as the problem isn't structure but people, maybe not.

For the new Commissioner to say that there are many on the force who should not be there, but he can't sack them, is a somewhat depressing scenario.

The police have lost the trust of the public, both down South and up here. Whereas if an officer was being attacked folk would come to his assistance, now they are more likely to take a video.

No easy answer.

 

[tonysingh]

And while all this is going on, who will do the actual policing?

The army?

 

[Sasaferrato]

The army?

Not sure London is ready for that.

 

[hash tag]

Any law breaker over 16 goes inside and 3 times and its a life sentence, either that or send all crims to Rwanda.

 

[tonysingh]

Any law breaker over 16 goes inside and 3 times and its a life sentence, either that or send all crims to Rwanda.

3 times for the same type of crime or 3 different crimes?

 

[hash tag]

3 crimes ( any ).

 

[tonysingh]

3 crimes ( any ).

So not a massive overreaction at all then.

 

[hash tag]

So not a massive overreaction at all then.

Not really. If people haven't learnt the first or even the second time they never will.

 

[Pickman's model]

And while all this is going on, who will do the actual policing?

Who does the actual policing now? Not the fucking met

 

[tonysingh]

Not really. If people haven't learnt the first or even the second time they never will.

It was the 8th conviction that I learnt my lesson.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Tbh I don't suppose people would be much worse off, and in some ways better, if the Met simply disappeared.

Very callous of you not to think about the catastrophic loss of business for the capital's kebab shops.

 

[equationgirl]

Not really. If people haven't learnt the first or even the second time they never will.

Look at how well that strategy has gone down in the US where some states have a 'three strikes' rule. More than one miscarriage of justice...

 

[equationgirl]

Very callous of you not to think about the catastrophic loss of business for the capital's kebab shops.

And coffee+doughnuts shops.