Urban v's the Commentariat

[phildwyer]

A Turkish cis male was sitting outside a pub.

How do you know he was Turkish?

 

[Nigel Irritable]

She immediately bought into it as hers, as one that she was part of and that had accidentally stepped out of - and then spent some time trying to fit into these dicks world. Fuck her.

Each word, each step, each action (as if) driving that wedge further. Good.

My point wasn't that Penny's just great, but that as so often she is representative of a type. Usually, she's this place's favourite stand in for liberal-left media self-promoters as a whole, but on this occasion she's acting so as to fit in with a more "grassroots" variant of twitter intersectionalism. (Which at another remove is part of maintaining her personal brand amongst the liberal-leftish media sorts)

 

[J Ed]

What a dick. I actually think that the BS around 'man flu' is harmful and in some cases stops men who are seriously ill from going to the doctors when necessary

 

[butchersapron]

My point wasn't that Penny's just great, but that as so often she is representative of a type. Usually, she's this place's favourite stand in for liberal-left media self-promoters as a whole, but on this occasion she's acting so as to fit in with a more "grassroots" variant of twitter intersectionalism. (Which at another remove is part of maintaining her personal brand amongst the liberal-leftish media sorts)

I know that you don't think that she's great - really. My point was that she had stepped out of and quickly tried to jump back into this dual market - this dual authenticity. Hence her scrabbling around on her knees in the one she is less powerful in, the one where anyone can her to fuck. Going through this idiocy to emerge as an authentic ally is probably easier then the real world being left wing market.

 

[butchersapron]

What a dick. I actually think that the BS around 'man flu' is harmful and in some cases stops men who are seriously ill from going to the doctors when necessary

Beyond pathetic. It's only ball cancer.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

How do you know he was Turkish?

It was an assumption based on his appearance and accent. I wouldn't usually bother to mention ethnicity like that.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I know that you don't think that she's great - really. My point was that she had stepped out of and quickly tried to jump back into this dual market - this dual authenticity. Hence her scrabbling around on her knees in the one she is less powerful in, the one where anyone can all her to fuck. Going through this idiocy to emerge as an authentic ally is probably easier then the real world being left wing market.

Can't disagree with any of that.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

A rare moment of commentariat-positive urbanism: Dominic Fox put up a really good series of tweets on aspects of the "sex work" debate today. Of course,he got very little response.

Twitter.com/domfox

 

[J Ed]

 

[Nigel Irritable]

The context of that one is important though, because he goes on to say that he's in favour, ideally, of people being equally free to say that they don't want to go to work. His point in this part of his tweet series was that in every other circumstance we recognise sex as distinct because of intimacy and issues of bodily autonomy - eg anyone saying that sexual trauma is no different to any other form of physical trauma would be immediately recognised as being "obtuse".

His concentration on what might sarcastically be called the agency and choices of punters is also a welcome corrective. Plus his comparison between the effects of economic coercion on "consent" with situations in which married women have "consented" under forms of coercion was very sharp.

I'm not at all surprised that he only got one biter.

 

[weepiper]

You saddo normals don't understaaand.

 

[rekil]

This clown.

 

[butchersapron]

I hate that band but perfect

 

[Nigel Irritable]

This clown.

The retreat of the OWS tide really did leave some giant turds behind on the beach. This lad and Tunney, Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Fuck her.

Fuck they

 

[rekil]

The retreat of the OWS tide really did leave some giant turds behind on the beach. This lad and Tunney, Jesus fucking Christ.

And Harris and Crabapple. Ben Gilroy here?

 

[DotCommunist]

christopher reiss who done that hilarious article about a stone being thrown at a google van 'a shot that rang out across the world'

if that was he.

 

[Greebo]

It was an assumption based on his appearance and accent. I wouldn't usually bother to mention ethnicity like that.

How, for that matter, do you know he was cis instead of a very happy post op (or very convincing transitioning) trans?

 

[Greebo]

Fuck they

"Them". Confusing as it may be for some people, the nonsexist "they" always takes the plural in the appropriate case, never the singular. Even when "they" refers to one person.

If you prefer it, "hir" has also been attempted as a nonsexist pronoun. It's inelegant and sometimes still sounds sexist so is less widely used than "they/them/their".

 

[captainmission]

we should just adopt a language with non-gendered pronouns, like farsi or bengali. Women must have it great in countries where those languages are spoken.

 

[butchersapron]

"Them". Confusing as it may be for some people, the nonsexist "they" always takes the plural in the appropriate case, never the singular. Even when "they" refers to one person.

If you prefer it, "hir" has also been attempted as a nonsexist pronoun. It's inelegant and sometimes still sounds sexist so is less widely used than "they/them/their".

You're not from round here are you?

 

[DotCommunist]

One of the skiffy books I read recently has 'yt' as the indicative pronoun self chosen by third gendered people.

bit too close to 'it' imo but in the context of the tale these are deliberate and chosen by the third gendered. iyswim

 

[Greebo]

You're not from round here are you?

It's a countercultural thing, prevalent among people I knew and socialised with long before the Commentariat was even a blob of ink on an overused biro.

 

[butchersapron]

It's a countercultural thing, prevalent among people I knew and socialised with long before the Commentariat was even a blob of ink on an overused biro.

Cool, no probs - i just don't understand what you said though - not in a spikey way, i just find this stuff hard to follow.

 

[J Ed]

In Spain some activists have taken to using @ or x in words which would otherwise denote gender, so todos/todas becomes todxs or tod@s. A bit silly I think.

 

[weepiper]

Instead of pissing about with language and trying to pretend gender doesn't exist, why don't we spend our energy on attacking and resolving the inequalities that come with being born one sex instead of another?

 

[butchersapron]

Genuine question - why don't they? Owen does as far as his labour legs will carry him but, where are these people?

 

[weepiper]

Genuine question - why don't they? Owen does as far as his labour legs will carry him but, where are these people?

Because it's too fucking hard, isn't it? It's too much work.

 

[butchersapron]

Because it's too fucking hard, isn't it? It's too much work.

I think that's about - sadly - the size of it.

 

[weepiper]

There's no validation in it. They want the quick fix.