andysays
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hasn't she?
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hasn't she?
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Polyamory rather than polyandry I would have thought.To be fair to Laurie (), she has already made clear that as a queer practioner of polyandry
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
andysays
Love and solidarity
I believe it was linked to here so you're welcome to go back and have a look (please be aware that I'm not claiming what I said she said as a direct quote, rather my interpretation of what she was saying, so once you've found it, you may well disagree with my interpretation...)
And DaveCinzano has corrected my mistaken memory - as he says polyamory rather than polyandry
at selfDotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
enough about pennies sex life ffs
them statesman covers are shit. the dodgy as fuck one with the star of david rampant over a union flag particularly so
them statesman covers are shit. the dodgy as fuck one with the star of david rampant over a union flag particularly so
I'm aware she practices polyamory, just wondering how this meant she viewed vanilla fucking as beneath her? there's really no need to make stuff up.
andysays
Love and solidarity
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's from 12 years ago mind.
I've read some of them before. But also, I've read lots of her other writing. Implying some kind of superiority of one kind of sexuality over another isn't really her is it?Wow, that's some serious speed reading
As I say, feel free to criticise her for the things she actually writes. making straw men to shout at her about - based on her sexuality ffs - is stupid though.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Yes, and it's worth pointing out that Lewis has condemned it, but the xenophobia of the latest cover shows some similarly bad judgement.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The continuity of the politically middle-brow.
that's horrible and it's a shame because theres a really good opportunity there to talk about how scarcity, particularly of housing, leads to divisive attitudes. There are lots of single older homeless people who resent young mums, or immigrant families, being given priority for housing when they get precisely fuck all help - this is one way that lack of housing/homelessness manifests in social attitudes and ultimately leads to increased isolation and marginalisation. Add to that the gender war shit that is dominant in mainstream culture, men are from mars etc, and perhaps a failed relationship/family and it is not difficult to see how someone might end up feeling like that poor bastard she interviews.
But instead she wrote a ha ha lets point and laugh at the weird homeless person I met piece, all justified by a fake narrative of a 'new bigotry' which as the other thread shows is a tiny bunch of cranks who've been around since at least the 70s.
and this
You are Penny, from where that bloke you interviewed is looking.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
What's worse is that she doesn't even suggest any way that people as a whole can move past their misdirected anger and towards addressing the roots of their frustrations. They are just scum, fodder for her to mock as losers in life and she is making money while doing it.
Theisticle
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That's the point, it doesn't matter, Penny has her hate figure. Rather than critically engage the root of the problem she builds him as a strawman to burn. He's homeless, no steady job, or right of reply. He's stripped down to some angry cliches and assumed anger.
It's almost like she only chose the quotes to fit the article. It wasn't an interrogation of this man's anger or alienation but rather Penny confirming to herself and friends what a hideous man this person is, he might well be, but Penny does little outside of soundbites to accurately represent his views.
Sloppy journalism.
It's almost like she only chose the quotes to fit the article. It wasn't an interrogation of this man's anger or alienation but rather Penny confirming to herself and friends what a hideous man this person is, he might well be, but Penny does little outside of soundbites to accurately represent his views.
Sloppy journalism.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
It's known in the trade as a 'hatchet job.' It doesn't matter what the subject of the article think, says or does. Nor does it really matter who they are. They're simply there to be pilloried and attacked, seldom with the right of rebuttal or reply. The target could be the nicest, most decent person on the planet and from a piece like that you wouldn't know that if you hadn't actually met them.
Theisticle
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She quotes him 6 times (?). I honestly doubt this conversation lasted all of 10 minutes. But like you say, hatchet job.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Hang on a second here. We are talking about an MRA involved with the rabid website "A Voice For Men". We can take it for granted that he's a misogynistic wanker. Most of Penny's article may be an exercise in liberal smugness, but I very much doubt if she had to misrepresent this guy at all to make him look bad. MRAs are rather like Loyalists in full "Fenians Out!" mode in that regard - reliably obnoxious.
Let's not start making every prick that liberals don't like into some silenced exemplar of proletarian grievances.
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Theisticle
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The guy's blog is atrocious. But she's drawing on one very angry asshole to make some grander point and it really doesn't work.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
for me it all falls apart from the line 'some of my best friends are straight white men'
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Sure, but that's a different objection: this clown isn't representative of any interesting new phenomenon is one argument. This clown is alright really and is being unfairly done over by a snooty metropolitan liberal is another.
the point isnt whether this guys a dick, but whether he became a dick in social isolation, or is there a material reason for his dickness and those like him since he's presented as an archetype for the 'new bigotry'. is his sense of injustice valid but mis-directed, or is it just what she calls it, out and out bigotry. and if so what gives him and his fellow dicks a sea to swim in.
is he wrong here, why with all his white male privilege would he think that? Is he just "adrift in an uncertain world"? Thats where the story is, that how this new bigotry* as a social force is emerging, thats where the analysis should go, and also the where the challenge to dick needs to come from, but she cant be bothered to do this, and neither can the rest of the commentariat by and large - all they have to offer is look at this dick
*its a bit of a moot point anyway, because this new social force doesnt really exist and was invented by laurie so she could laugh at a dick
is he wrong here, why with all his white male privilege would he think that? Is he just "adrift in an uncertain world"? Thats where the story is, that how this new bigotry* as a social force is emerging, thats where the analysis should go, and also the where the challenge to dick needs to come from, but she cant be bothered to do this, and neither can the rest of the commentariat by and large - all they have to offer is look at this dick
*its a bit of a moot point anyway, because this new social force doesnt really exist and was invented by laurie so she could laugh at a dick
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
but what has the evil russian bear got around its throat? it looks like a waxy red disc. Is that supposed to represent crimea or something?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
also the three leaders of a mailed fist of force that can be projected anywhere in the world with frightening speed is somewhat underplayed by having the big three standing timid before a raging bear.
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Love the really shit pictures of Merkel, Obama and Cameron.
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
Also, all the places that are being pierced by the Russian bears arrows have recently been invaded/ liberated, devastated by Germany, Britain or the USA
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
The point isn't the interviewee in question, it's that if a hack has already decided they're doing a hatchet job then the interviewee could be Saint Francis of Assisi and, no matter what views they espoused, how reasonably they espoused them or how solid their facts and reasoning, they'd still be slated, misquoted and their standpoint spun to fit the hack's pre-determined intent.
If a hack or their editor has already decided to rip a person or viewpoint to shreds then it doesn't matter how nice or nasty the interviewee might be. They'll be shredded into little pieces all the same. Granted, some targets are easier than others, but if a hack wants to smear then they'll find a way to do it.
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