Urban v's the Commentariat

[Balbi]

Then again, Shiv did write this on IndyMedia just after 9/11


https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2001/09/11599.html?c=on

Oh, he's THAT journalist. The calculating bastard who ensure that he swerves a current issue by pointing out loudly that there's this other issue that's as importance that journalists never cover and he's covering it and isn't he so fucking clever for doing so and you should probably listen to him.

 

[TopCat]

Shiv was telling people to "take charge of your victimhood" and 'be prepared to go to prison for protesting'. Claimed he was in the first ever police kettle in 2001. I mean, wow, fucking hell.

Wow, forget admiring Lucy Parsons, Emily Pankhurst, etc, we should worship at this wankers alter.

 

[caleb]

so a tweet that basically says get off your arse young people and start protesting about housing or don't expect anyone to give a shit is "victim blaming to the highest degree" according to stavvers

and now its all about shiv and stavvers, and not housing

shiv's pompous responses aside, this stuff is now actively shutting down real stuff

Forgetting the lingo ("victim blaming"), I do think Shiv Malik's point was basically shite. In the absence of any real movement, of course young people aren't going to be out on the street getting kettled over housing benefit, which is not to say that they're (or we're) apathetic about it, but rather feel basically powerless and / or at a loss about what to do and how. It's no good a Guardian journalist hectoring over twitter about it.

How is it 'actively shutting down real stuff'?

 

[smokedout]

Of course its a shit point, but it wasn't leapt on for being a shit point it was leapt on because the intersectionalists saw a flaw in the jargon and went on the hunt - as such the conversation became about victim blaming and shiv, not housing or at least thats how it looked earlier today (haven't kept up)

that doesn't matter so much when its a Guardian hack I spose, but I can see how this could extend into other aread where stuff is going on

Also going out on a limb, but Shiv has covered the benefit cuts, workfare, housing etc and hes been ok, more so than any other journalist - I dont really see him as part of the intersectional crowd so it seemed to me to be an example of how they could start crossing over into things that matter

 

[weepiper]

Shiv was telling people to "take charge of your victimhood" and 'be prepared to go to prison for protesting'. Claimed he was in the first ever police kettle in 2001. I mean, wow, fucking hell.

Reminds me of Laurie and Owen and their standard defence when questioned about anything: 'yes, but what do you do? I travel the country, doing activism.'

 

[Theisticle]

Reminds me of Laurie and Owen and their standard defence when questioned about anything: 'yes, but what do you do? I travel the country, doing activism.'

So sanctimonious. That response is on the Owen Jones bingo card along with 'chuffed,' 'unscrupulous private landlords,' 'vote Labour' and a few others I'm sure.

 

[fractionMan]

Fucking Shiv Malik though



Hard hitting journalistic intent and understanding of both politics and activism

fuck me. I thought twitter was vapid pointless shite but that takes the prize.

 

[frogwoman]

Reminds me of Laurie and Owen and their standard defence when questioned about anything: 'yes, but what do you do? I travel the country, doing activism.'

I actually know Tony Benn.

 

[fractionMan]

In the biblical sense?

 

[Balbi]

I've suckled at his tobacco stained pipe

 

[Balbi]

Sorry (not sorry)

 

[DaveCinzano]

This tickled me:

 

[ViolentPanda]

Monetizing ur anti-capitalism

Wasn't that the battle-cry of Laurie Penny's mate Malcolm "definitely not obsessed by the idea of sex with underage girls" Harris?

 

[el-ahrairah]

Shiv was telling people to "take charge of your victimhood" and 'be prepared to go to prison for protesting'. Claimed he was in the first ever police kettle in 2001. I mean, wow, fucking hell.

so was i. how do i monetize this fact?

 

[Idris2002]

Nominative Determinism will get you every time. I.e. with a name like "Tristram" what else can we expect?

Labour party shadow education minister and Engels biographer Tristram Hunt crossed a picket line of striking university lecturers at Queen Mary University on 10 February to lecture to students on Marx and Engels.

The strikers, members of the UCU union, were taking part in a two-hour "lightning" strike as part of an extended campaign of industrial action against real pay cuts - the government's 1% public sector pay, which is well below the rise in the cost of living.

The Morning Star quoted a striker as saying the shadow minister looked "shamefaced" as he scabbed on crossed their picket line.

Another striking lecturer on twitter, @dd_johnston, commented "Turns out #TristramHunt is actually the guy's name, not rhyming slang".

http://libcom.org/news/tristram-hunt-labour-party-scab-11022014

 

[TruXta]

Can we expect Shiv to be a backstabber then?

 

[Pickman's model]

Shiv was telling people to "take charge of your victimhood" and 'be prepared to go to prison for protesting'. Claimed he was in the first ever police kettle in 2001. I mean, wow, fucking hell.

i was in a kettle in trafalgar square in 2000. traditionally considered to be before 2001.

 

[Idris2002]

Can we expect Shiv to be a backstabber then?

POST OF THE DAY

 

[TruXta]

POST OF THE DAY

No, don't be silly.

 

[Idris2002]

No, don't be silly.

TruXta in uniform:

 

[DaveCinzano]

<--- SHIV . . . . . . . . . WALRUS --->

 

[CNT36]

i was in a kettle in trafalgar square in 2000. traditionally considered to be before 2001.

Mind your chronological privilege.

 

[Theisticle]

Good ol' New Statesman

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifesty...nes-day-sells-us-patriarchy-disguised-romance

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Good ol' New Statesman

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifesty...nes-day-sells-us-patriarchy-disguised-romance

With the partial exception of the rather narrow class assumptions in the remarks about career success, I don't really see much wrong with that article. It's not particularly significant or bursting with profound new insights, but it's fair enough as far as it goes.

 

[Theisticle]

With the partial exception of the rather narrow class assumptions in the remarks about career success, I don't really see much wrong with that article. It's not particularly significant or bursting with profound new insights, but it's fair enough as far as it goes.

The self-esteem study is pretty flawed as the majority of the sample is young people:

"Finally, although we collected data from noncollege student samples, the mean age of our participants was fairly young. An interesting future direction would be to look at the effects of partner success or failure on men who are older and who have been married longer. It is possible that the gender difference observed in these studies could be due to a difference between testosterone levels in men and women. As testosterone goes down with age"

So it's not 'all men' but young men.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Given that men of older generations are markedly less likely to earn less money than their partners, that distinction doesn't seem terribly significant.

 

[boohoo]

Good ol' New Statesman

http://www.newstatesman.com/lifesty...nes-day-sells-us-patriarchy-disguised-romance

Wishy-washy article. Nothing new. When you've got kids, the issue of getting flowers and romance and what that means goes out the window (the important stuff like work/housework//childcare balance comes into play)

re: men, their self esteem and women's achievement - some men don't care.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I see that Blairite gobshite Tristram Hunt crossed a picket line to give a talk on Marx. No comment yet from A Very Public Sociologist, the blogger who joined Labour to, ahem, carry out revolutionary work and ended up as a paid bag carrier for Hunt within months. Said blogger has now moved on to new opportunities, so he need have no fear that commenting would endanger his remuneration.

 

[Idris2002]

I see that Blairite gobshite Tristram Hunt crossed a picket line to give a talk on Marx. No comment yet from A Very Public Sociologist, the blogger who joined Labour to, ahem, carry out revolutionary work and ended up as a paid bag carrier for Hunt within months. Said blogger has now moved on to new opportunities, so he need have no fear that commenting would endanger his remuneration.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I see that Blairite gobshite Tristram Hunt crossed a picket line to give a talk on Marx. No comment yet from A Very Public Sociologist, the blogger who joined Labour to, ahem, carry out revolutionary work and ended up as a paid bag carrier for Hunt within months. Said blogger has now moved on to new opportunities, so he need have no fear that commenting would endanger his remuneration.

Someone mentioned it in a comment on an unrelated post and he replied that Tristram would be eating humble pie very soon. Which doesn't seem to have happened