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Looking at OK cupid profiles the other day, there was a girl on there whose entire profile seemed to be about intersectionalism and full of intersectionalist language.
 
'So tell us what happened. But first of all, was he white?'
'I don't remember anything after about 7pm last night'
'Yeah but was he white?'
'I don't know, I don't think so'
'You racist! Check your privilege!'

:rolleyes:
:facepalm:
 
frogwoman said:
White women aren't allowed to criticize men of other races for being rapists?

What the actual fuck?
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I'm not sure, but I really don't get quite what she is saying half the time. I've spent quite some time looking at the criticisms of white M/C feminism. and I've found a lot of highly critical pieces, written by WOC on their experiences and views of feminism, that I strongly agree with that have definitely affected how i view myself as a feminist and how i discuss feminism in general. but this is not one of them.

firstly there's a rant about Caroline Criado Perez sharing a platform with Collymore. that yes he does experience racism, but sharing a platform with him when discussing feminist issues is not Ok cause he's an abuser. but also a rant that he wouldn't be given the same chance for public rehabilitation as a white abuser would. there's no real explanation of how these two apparently contradictory positions fit together.

there's a rant about one author's comment on tyson, which is being extrapolated into the opinions of all white people

the sentences against sexual abusers are too lenient, yes I aggree. and the Duggan verdict was also shit. but there is no explanation of how she is directly equating the two. Just a statement on which we are all supposed to agree. I happen to agree that the justice system is institutionally racist, but this is a rant, not a coherent argument for that position.

She's got a point in how some white feminists attach themselves to campaigns that are on issues that are present within minority communities, without any real understanding of the issues, and putting themselves to the forefront rather than engaging with the women working on those issues within their communities and using their media presence to highlight the work that is being done by black women's groups rather than just standing up on a blurred version of the issue.but she is also criticizing those women for campaigning on other issues that she deems irrelevant. it makes it feel like a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't position. so you may as well ignore it and move on with what you were doing anyway.

There's a fair few places where I agree with her where I can work out the actual position behind the rant. There's a place for a damn good rant about the bullshit of sexism, racism and a great deal else. but there's also a place for a decent coherent argument. and this mixes up the two and is fairly useless at both.
 
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frogwoman said:
Looking at OK cupid profiles the other day, there was a girl on there whose entire profile seemed to be about intersectionalism and full of intersectionalist language.
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intersextionalism

mind you I had to raise my eyebrow on the whole 'race play' thing. The twittersectionals must have been popping veins and going gran mal seizure on that one...
 
TruXta said:
Dare I google it?
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it's people doing race-played things in the bedroom like a woman playing the southern belle and treating the black partner like a slave etc. I'm broad minded, but my eyebrow was raised. Apparently its healthy and negates the power of prejudices by something or other. Eyebrow.
 
DotCommunist said:
intersextionalism

mind you I had to raise my eyebrow on the whole 'race play' thing. The twittersectionals must have been popping veins and going gran mal seizure on that one...
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but what would they do if the hypothetical one legged black lesbian trans woman had popped up and defended it, talk over her, negate her experience?

they'd be fucked, cause none of them have anything approaching a theoretical framework, they just boo and hiss on a series of issues, desperately trying to be more right on than the next person. They say they are sex positive and are cool enough to now old school rad fems are wrong about sex work, porn, bdsm and trans but fucked if they could weave their positions into a coherent world view, which for all their faults isn't something rad fems struggle on, though coherent clearly doesn't mean not shite.
 
DotCommunist said:
it's people doing race-played things in the bedroom like a woman playing the southern belle and treating the black partner like a slave etc. I'm broad minded, but my eyebrow was raised. Apparently its healthy and negates the power of prejudices by something or other. Eyebrow.
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Oh, bit like me and the wife when I break out the viking helmet and treat her like my Irish slave-girl then ;)
 
DotCommunist said:
when you quite literally get the horn
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revol68 said:
but what would they do if the hypothetical one legged black lesbian trans woman had popped up and defended it, talk over her, negate her experience?

they'd be fucked, cause none of them have anything approaching a theoretical framework, they just boo and hiss on a series of issues, desperately trying to be more right on than the next person. They say they are sex positive and are cool enough to now old school rad fems are wrong about sex work, porn, bdsm and trans but fucked if they could weave their positions into a coherent world view, which for all their faults isn't something rad fems struggle on, though coherent clearly doesn't mean not shite.
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tell me about it. but I'm not sure I could entirely out my own views into words without cocking it all up.
 
DotCommunist said:
it's people doing race-played things in the bedroom like a woman playing the southern belle and treating the black partner like a slave etc. I'm broad minded, but my eyebrow was raised. Apparently its healthy and negates the power of prejudices by something or other. Eyebrow.
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So ok I can see that white people (especially ones from the USA) getting their rocks off on whipping black people is tricky - although god knows sexual desire seems pretty un-PC (the old gag; Q. 'is sex dirty?' A. 'only if you're doing it right')

But what about masochism? I used to live next door to a dom and she had a nazi uniform which she kept for putting on when she had a jewish client who wanted to act out *that* scenario, quite a commonplace one for jewish masochists apparently...I mean - is he allowed to do this? Is she?

Back to the USA black/white slave game - I mean what about African-American masochists who want to play out this role? I mean you either ban masochism all together - or you can expect it to find expression in the roles and uniforms etc etc of the culturally appropriate 'most-realistic' humiliation - which will be the real life historical (or contemporaneous) version. And - back to the is-sex-dirty? gag - presumably the more taboo the humiliation the hotter it is.

Consenting adults and all that.
 
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