Urban v's the Commentariat

[Sam Ambreen]

Of course I am.

Sam: are you pro- or anti-capitalism?

Anti. Hugely.

 

[butchersapron]

If Michelle Obama was walking down the street in a tracksuit, she'd still get spat at for being black. When she's in the White House, yeah, weejy bloke is signifcantly less well off. Me and him tho, he won't ever get stopped at an airport for having a Jihadi sounding name (as I frequently am). He won't ever need to change his name just so he can get a job (which I have had to do). He won't struggle to find his place in a culture because his skin says he is a native. Half the time white people hiss at me for looking like a Paki and the other half they're moaning I'm too light skinned to suffer racism. All the while, I inhabit this shell in a state of confusion and fear. I deserve better than this.

Do black people wear tracksuits then?

 

[butchersapron]

Anti. Hugely.

lol. Turkey.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Because of the tripe that you spout. Some things are justified. This will only go along the lines of there is only one party and it is that of sam. As, i suspect, you want.

Because I share my experiences, that is who I am? Have you actually read my blog?

 

[butchersapron]

Still as obsequious as ever eh Andy?

Right phil, off this thread too. I know that you have decided that you have no honour left and so are going for broke, but i'm making one last appeal.

 

[butchersapron]

Because I share my experiences, that is who I am? Have you actually read my blog?

Yeah. Or at least your helen lewis episode. Not good.

 

[andysays]

Still as obsequious as ever eh Andy?

That's my new tag line!

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Do black people wear tracksuits then?

fuck off 'mate'

 

[DotCommunist]

. He won't ever need to change his name just so he can get a job

depends how sectarian the local job market is these days eh...

 

[phildwyer]

Right phil, off this thread too. I know that you have decided that you have no honour left and so are going for broke, but i'm making one last appeal.

Oh alright. Jesus.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Yeah. Or at least your helen lewis episode. Not good.

Bet you believed her version didn't you?

 

[TruXta]

Sam, for all your blustering and rhetoric I still don't have the first clue about what the hell you actually stand for. Be nice? Don't be a dick?

 

[butchersapron]

And let's get this right - no one is insisting that you're a posho. I think people can see that your insistence that they did is a pretty shoddy trick given that you'll at some later date show that you aren't.

 

[butchersapron]

Bet you believed her version didn't you?

Marvelous, you're taking back your defensive grovelling.

 

[belboid]

If Michelle Obama was walking down the street in a tracksuit, she'd still get spat at for being black. When she's in the White House, yeah, weejy bloke is signifcantly less well off. Me and him tho, he won't ever get stopped at an airport for having a Jihadi sounding name (as I frequently am). He won't ever need to change his name just so he can get a job (which I have had to do). He won't struggle to find his place in a culture because his skin says he is a native. Half the time white people hiss at me for looking like a Paki and the other half they're moaning I'm too light skinned to suffer racism. All the while, I inhabit this shell in a state of confusion and fear. I deserve better than this.

Michelle Obama would be spat upon whenever she walked down a street? Really? And doesn't her class position mean she is unlikely to be walking down any but the nicest streets? And what is the relevance of the 'tracksuit'? Is it a disguise? You seem to be saying that if MB were a working class black woman she would face more racism. And I think everyone would agree, but then class is central again, isn't it?

And do white people really only ever talk to your about your colouring? That isn't right is it?

Just because people reject the bourgeois concept of intersectionality, doesnt mean people dont oppose racism and sexism and other forms of bigotry.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Surely if Michelle Obama was walking down the street in a tracksuit she would be surrounded by the armed might of the US state?

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Marvelous, you're taking back your defensive grovelling.

Only sick of the white narrative and its powers over the truth.

 

[butchersapron]

fuck off 'mate'

This is the basis of your post about her. That black people wear trackies.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Michelle Obama would be spat upon whenever she walked down a street? Really? And doesn't her class position mean she is unlikely to be walking down any but the nicest streets? And what is the relevance of the 'tracksuit'? Is it a disguise? You seem to be saying that if MB were a working class black woman she would face more racism. And I think everyone would agree, but then class is central again, isn't it?

And do white people really only ever talk to your about your colouring? That isn't right is it?

Just because people reject the bourgeois concept of intersectionality, doesnt mean people dont oppose racism and sexism and other forms of bigotry.

..rich people don't go jogging then? My, my..

 

[TruXta]

Surely if Michelle Obama was walking down the street in a tracksuit she would be surrounded by the armed might of the US state?

But Sam talked about the hypothetical example where MO was a black woman in trackie bottoms, and not actually a lawyer married to the most powerful politician on the planet dontchasee?

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Sam, for all your blustering and rhetoric I still don't have the first clue about what the hell you actually stand for. Be nice? Don't be a dick?

All for being nice and not a dick if lead by example.

 

[butchersapron]

Only sick of the white narrative and its powers over the truth.

You are all over the shop frankly. This is why i said pointless above. I can understand just hate, but it's worthless if it's so incoherent as this.

 

[TruXta]

All for being nice and not a dick if lead by example.

Me too. Still not sure what you stand for. You say you're anarchist and communist. Why do you not want to talk about class much?

 

[sim667]

*sets up deckchair, puts popcorn kernels in the microwave

 

[Sam Ambreen]

This is the basis of your post about her. That black people wear trackies.

You know the term 'microagression'? It means a pattern of behaviour that is recognised as being oppressive, like being baited for example, or having words put into your mouth.

 

[belboid]

..rich people don't go jogging then? My, my..

is that the best you can do? You really dont get the notion of class do you? Why are you so insistent upon ignoring it?

(and any chance of you accepting that you deliberately rewrote my previous post? you know you did)

 

[butchersapron]

..rich people don't go jogging then? My, my..

IN what world does 'walking' (your words) equal jogging?

(in my lying sisters world i suppose)

 

[phildwyer]

Me too. Still not sure what you stand for. You say you're anarchist and communist. Why do you not want to talk about class much?

She talks about it all the time.

 

[butchersapron]

You know the term 'microagression'? It means a pattern of behaviour that is recognised as being oppressive, like being baited for example, or having words put into your mouth.

You said it. You put black people in trackies. I'm calling you out for unacknowledged racism.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Me too. Still not sure what you stand for. You say you're anarchist and communist. Why do you not want to talk about class much?

Class is not the only oppression. My mother brought me up on £10 child benefit a week. I have been out of work for 4yrs owing to mental health and a spinal injury. I get one pair of shoes a year. Don't presume to know what my class politics are. All I'm saying is I will not fight the class war at the expense of all the others.