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Hah. You're not even listening. You folk have made your mind up about me.

Tip for you. Engage with people here. Actually engage, address points that are made and be reasonable and rational.

Don't a Penny Dreadful and pop in and out, smearing any and all critics and then spout off about how mean people are to you. We've already got LP periodically disappearing and then reappearing in that way and we don't need another of her ilk.
 
the standards white cis heteropatriarchy takes for granted.
all straight white men take these things for granted? No questions about their place in the power structures of late western capitalism? About how a privileged education and class background (and I have no idea whether you have had one or not, this isn't an accusation) creates that 'standard'? Or do all white cis straight men have that privilege over and above those well educated, class educated women, PoC's queers and trans?

Methinks you confuse 'white cis heteropatriarchy' for the ruling class.
 
Tip for you. Engage with people here. Actually engage, address points that are made and be reasonable and rational.

Don't a Penny Dreadful and pop in and out, smearing any and all critics and then spout off about how mean people are to you. We've already got LP periodically disappearing and then reappearing in that way and we don't need another of her ilk.

You're asking me to be reasonable and rational with people I have experienced nothing but hostility? Also, for chrissakes, stop lumping me in with Laurie Penny and *shudders* fucking Helen Lewis. They're nothing like me. We're not on the same side.
 
You're asking me to be reasonable and rational with people I have experienced nothing but hostility? Also, for chrissakes, stop lumping me in with Laurie Penny and *shudders* fucking Helen Lewis. They're nothing like me. We're not on the same side.
Errrrrrr your very first post was a snarky comment, and then there was something about us being a bit MRA. Pot, kettle.
 
all straight white men take these things for granted? No questions about their place in the power structures of late western capitalism? About how a privileged education and class background (and I have no idea whether you have had one or not, this isn't an accusation) creates that 'standard'? Or do all white cis straight men have that privilege over and above those well educated, class educated women, PoC's queers and trans?

Methinks you confuse 'white cis heteropatriarchy' for the ruling class.

Sigh. I have no idea why it is SO difficult for people to understand overlapping oppressions and relative privilege. You think I'm educated? I barely scraped through my GCSE year.
 
Errrrrrr your very first post was a snarky comment, and then there was something about us being a bit MRA. Pot, kettle.

Every single one of your posts is dripping with disdain. After a while, you get a taste for your sort and well, sort of avoid.
 
Hi Sam, welcome aboard :)

I'd read a bit of the boards before getting stuck in to this thread, might give you a better all round view of urban and the people who post on here :)

Yeah, I've had people defend the forum before; have been advised to ignore the whiny old men and class war types.
 
*cue taunts of TMI*

I don't think it's TMI, or that anyone here is likely to taunt/accuse you of that.

For what it's worth, many here have experienced and still do experience oppression, exploitation, mental ill health, physical and/or sexual violence etc and draw on those personal experiences when they post here, on other parts of the forum, usually getting a sympathetic response.

The problem, as I see it, is when people take those experiences as being special or inclusive to them, or that they have a special right to speak about them as if they're special to them, and further when dealing with these widespread issues becomes simply a question of personal therapy conducted in public, rather than a genuinely open and public conversation leading to collective change.

Not having followed all of the links here to your blog, I'm in no position to decide for sure whether you, personally, are one of the "issues as therapy" crowd or not, but from the little I have read on your blog and since you made your entrance here, I certainly have my suspicions.

You are, of course, as welcome as anyone to post here, even if that does turn out to be your position, but you probably would do better to deal with us as individuals, not assume that we're all identikit copies of one or two of the more vocal posters...
 
Every single one of your posts is dripping with disdain. After a while, you get a taste for your sort and well, sort of avoid.
Because of the tripe that you spout. Some things are justified. This will only go along the lines of there is only one party and it is that of sam. As, i suspect, you want.
 
OK then. Extreme example time. Who's more privileged - Michelle Obama or a white cis hetero terminally unemployed male in Glasgow?

If Michelle Obama was walking down the street in a tracksuit, she'd still get spat at for being black. When she's in the White House, yeah, weejy bloke is signifcantly less well off. Me and him tho, he won't ever get stopped at an airport for having a Jihadi sounding name (as I frequently am). He won't ever need to change his name just so he can get a job (which I have had to do). He won't struggle to find his place in a culture because his skin says he is a native. Half the time white people hiss at me for looking like a Paki and the other half they're moaning I'm too light skinned to suffer racism. All the while, I inhabit this shell in a state of confusion and fear. I deserve better than this.
 
Sigh. I have no idea why it is SO difficult for people to understand overlapping oppressions and relative privilege. You think I'm educated? I barely scraped through my GCSE year.
I said I have no idea about your education, it was clear. I dont know why you have to rewrite my words.

And pointing out there are 'overlapping privileges' in no way contradicts the point that a white working class male has a damned sight fewer privileges than, say, Baroness Warsi. You are the one completely omitting the role of class. Odd for an anarchist communist.
 
If Michelle Obama was walking down the street in a tracksuit, she'd still get spat at for being black. When she's in the White House, yeah, weejy bloke is signifcantly less well off. Me and him tho, he won't ever get stopped at an airport for having a Jihadi sounding name (as I frequently am). He won't ever need to change his name just so he can get a job (which I have had to do). He won't struggle to find his place in a culture because his skin says he is a native. Half the time white people hiss at me for looking like a Paki and the other half they're moaning I'm too light skinned to suffer racism. All the while, I inhabit this shell in a state of confusion and fear. I deserve better than this.
Clearly everyone else is a racist sexist cunt then. (aside from the fantasies).
 
If Michelle Obama was walking down the street in a tracksuit, she'd still get spat at for being black. When she's in the White House, yeah, weejy bloke is signifcantly less well off. Me and him tho, he won't ever get stopped at an airport for having a Jihadi sounding name (as I frequently am). He won't ever need to change his name just so he can get a job (which I have had to do). He won't struggle to find his place in a culture because his skin says he is a native. Half the time white people hiss at me for looking like a Paki and the other half they're moaning I'm too light skinned to suffer racism. All the while, I inhabit this shell in a state of confusion and fear. I deserve better than this.

I wasn't asking about you, but thanks all the same. So, in conclusion, Michelle Obama is still less privileged than Weegie Man?
 
I don't think it's TMI, or that anyone here is likely to taunt/accuse you of that.

For what it's worth, many here have experienced and still do experience oppression, exploitation, mental ill health, physical and/or sexual violence etc and draw on those personal experiences when they post here, on other parts of the forum, usually getting a sympathetic response.

The problem, as I see it, is when people take those experiences as being special or inclusive to them, or that they have a special right to speak about them as if they're special to them, and further when dealing with these widespread issues becomes simply a question of personal therapy conducted in public, rather than a genuinely open and public conversation leading to collective change.

Not having followed all of the links here to your blog, I'm in no position to decide for sure whether you, personally, are one of the "issues as therapy" crowd or not, but from the little I have read on your blog and since you made your entrance here, I certainly have my suspicions.

You are, of course, as welcome as anyone to post here, even if that does turn out to be your position, but you probably would do better to deal with us as individuals, not assume that we're all identikit copies of one or two of the more vocal posters...

The problem I have is the selective reading by people who want to undermine your whole argument:

http://samambreen.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/its-not-about-me/
 
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