Urban v's the Commentariat

[Obnoxiousness]

Well, anyway, I'm here so you can get it straight from the horse's mouth instead of letting your preconceptions/stereotypes get the better of you. Think of it as a service.

Hello Sam
Tell us about your politics.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Not sure anyone is that interested in you now to be fair. I'm sure you'll shoulder the responsibility though.

Ha. When you stop mentioning my name, I will believe you're not interested. Until then, I call bullshit.

 

[andysays]

No.. I have a blog that is frequently linked to from this site.

I dunno, we send a significant amount of traffic to your blog, enough that you repeatedly notice apparently, and this is the thanks we get...

 

[Idris2002]

.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Are we not individuals with our own experiences and lessons sam?

And what do those experiences and lessons tell you about me?

 

[butchersapron]

Ha. When you stop mentioning my name, I will believe you're not interested. Until then, I call bullshit.

I'm not interested in you. Really. And i don't care whether you believe that or not. I am interested in what produced the turkeys of intersectionalism and the shite that comes with it.

 

[butchersapron]

And what do those experiences and lessons tell you about me?

Answer the question. It's not all about you.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Hello Sam
Tell us about your politics.

As of today, I'm not sure I can even call myself a feminist. It's been a struggle holding onto it but the way white feminism seems to have hijacked even our latest efforts, the complete disregard for people's mental health, the way in which they invite violence into the lives of trans* folk.. it's not my feminism.

 

[J Ed]

Don't you think I am responding because people on here have been doing just that?

That's fair, I look forward to you proving us/them wrong.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

I'm not interested in you. Really. And i don't care whether you believe that or not. I am interested in what produced the turkeys of intersectionalism and the shite that comes with it.

Sorry, are you saying I do not have the right to demand equality of opportunity/rights? That I, as a brown queer woman of colour should just suck up the shit that I've had to endure these past 30 years forever? You know what I'm going to say right? Would you rather I just went quietly and let you maintain the status quo? Heh. Never.

 

[TruXta]

As of today, I'm not sure I can even call myself a feminist. It's been a struggle holding onto it but the way white feminism seems to have hijacked even our latest efforts, the complete disregard for people's mental health, the way in which they invite violence into the lives of trans* folk.. it's not my feminism.

Woah woah, back up a bit. What complete disregard for MH?

 

[butchersapron]

Sorry, are you saying I do not have the right to demand equality of opportunity/rights? That I, as a brown queer woman of colour should just suck up the shit that I've had to endure these past 30 years forever? You know what I'm going to say right? Would you rather I just went quietly and let you maintain the status quo? Heh. Never.

Ends. Pointless.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Answer the question. It's not all about you.

Of course it's about me. It's about every single living being. It's about you too.

 

[TruXta]

Ends. Pointless.

In fairness you didn't exactly tread softly on the pedals here did you? Altho I agree it's likely a pointless thing we're about to witness.

 

[TruXta]

Of course it's about me. It's about every single living being. It's about you too.

KUMBAYA? Please.

 

[butchersapron]

Of course it's about me. It's about every single living being. It's about you too.

But it's not ALL about you. You have refused to recognise that people have difference experinces here on this thread. You've flattened them down into one single body that says...well, whatever you want. Not good way to behave.

 

[cesare]

Woah woah, back up a bit. What complete disregard for MH?

You don't think some of the excruciating batshit insectionalista hate battles on twitter are bad for MH?

 

[butchersapron]

In fairness you didn't exactly tread softly on the pedals here did you? Altho I agree it's likely a pointless thing we're about to witness.

Doesn't matter. That pre-prepared stuff was coming out at some point or another.

 

[TruXta]

You don't think some of the excruciating batshit hate insectionalista hate battles on twitter are bad for MH?

I'm sure they are. Or am I? Anyway, I was simply after some context for what she said.

 

[TruXta]

Doesn't matter. That pre-prepared stuff was coming out at some point or another.

Probably.

 

[butchersapron]

You don't think some of the excruciating batshit insectionalista hate battles on twitter are bad for MH?

I do. Which means that there is no way out for those of us criticising sam.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Woah woah, back up a bit. What complete disregard for MH?

There is a high prevalence of mental illness among oppressed groups and activists. I can think of at least 3 occasions where posters on this forum referred to my mental health as a contributing factor to my "crazy" beliefs. The mental illness came after. For the record, I do have complex post traumatic stress disorder. This does not mean I do not have agency. What causes mental illness in our circles? Losing every fight you take part in. Being afraid to leave the front door since the latest random stranger called me a paki and tried to physically assault me. A lifetime of physical and sexual violence. I could do one of two things; curl up into a ball and die slowly in my room (which is where I was at a few years back) or change my world by demanding the standards white cis heteropatriarchy takes for granted. Of course I understand why this might be scary for you..

 

[cesare]

I do. Which means that there is no way out for those of us criticising sam.

Aye, I suspect it'll be more of the same but here instead.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

*cue taunts of TMI*

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Hah. You're not even listening. You folk have made your mind up about me.

 

[cesare]

*cue taunts of TMI*

You're more likely to be taunted for your use of the jargon.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

See butchersapron and truxta. Is there any way of having a reasonable discussion with either of those?

 

[TruXta]

There is a high prevalence of mental illness among oppressed groups and activists. I can think of at least 3 occasions where posters on this forum referred to my mental health as a contributing factor to my "crazy" beliefs. The mental illness came after. For the record, I do have complex post traumatic stress disorder. This does not mean I do not have agency. What causes mental illness in our circles? Losing every fight you take part in. Being afraid to leave the front door since the latest random stranger called me a paki and tried to physically assault me. A lifetime of physical and sexual violence. I could do one of two things; curl up into a ball and die slowly in my room (which is where I was at a few years back) or change my world by demanding the standards white cis heteropatriarchy takes for granted. Of course I understand why this might be scary for you..

Name and shame or be forever silent. Honestly, you gotta back up accusations like that.

*cue taunts of TMI*

Pah, try the health forum here and see what people talk about.

 

[cesare]

See butchersapron and truxta. Is there any way of having a reasonable discussion with either of those?

Set aside this intersectionalism business and language for a while, and talk with us as people talk in everyday lives.

 

[frogwoman]

yes.