Urban v's the Commentariat

[DotCommunist]

how is this relevant?

suprised it took two pages, we are seeing the texbook intersectionalist arguing methods here. first if you critisice the theory you dismiss the experiences of the individual, then this, then a blog post tomorrow

 

[J Ed]

If we all chant, "Helen Lewis" three times, do you think that she will magically turn up?

Only if you're a Tory with a wad of cash I think

 

[Sam Ambreen]

He's satirising the process of reading micro-aggression into everyday sentences that people haven't thought through. Tbh Sam you don't know the lay of the land here, I'd probably join others in suggesting you lurk moar.

Yeah, getting a bit bored of this now

 

[butchersapron]

Well, you tell me why the colour of my skin has been relevant in this country, and I'll tell you why yours is.

Nonsense, racism never existed and doesn't now.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

suprised it took two pages, we are seeing the texbook intersectionalist arguing methods here. first if you critisice the theory you dismiss the experiences of the individual, then this, then a blog post tomorrow

Don't kid yourself you're that important.

 

[TruXta]

Nonsense, racism never existed and doesn't now.

Too transparent.

 

[revol68]

Dwyer you do understand the distinction between understanding class and this piss weak "classism" of intersectionality. Class becomes just one oppression amongst others rather than the fabric in which other oppression's are woven, articulated and reproduced. Capital is replaced with the kyiarchy, a meaningless assemblage of binary oppositions between oppressed and oppressor.

Intersectionalists treat class as a kind of flat white,male,cis, and straight oppression, that sexism, racism, homophobia and such simply add onto, instead of understanding that racism and sexism in particular are articulated and experienced through class, through lower wages, less access to health care, housing, education etc.

 

[phildwyer]

Thanks Phil. Obviously people come to something with preconceptions and refuse to see the whole picture. It's called 'framing' in a white narrative.
*lols to death inside at thought of butchersapron and the t person foaming at the mouth at all the jargon*

Innit.

For people like them, the content of what you write is unimportant. I'd be willing to bet that they haven't even glance at your blog. You simply "tick" all their "boxes."

 

[J Ed]

Are you white?

Does the veracity of what he is saying change depending on his race?

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Nonsense, racism never existed and doesn't now.

Piss off.

 

[butchersapron]

Dwyer you do understand the distinction between understanding class and this piss weak "classism" of intersectionality. Class becomes just one oppression amongst others rather than the fabric in which other oppression's are woven, articulated and reproduced. Capital is replaced with the kyiarchy, a meaningless assemblage of binary oppositions between oppressed and oppressor.

Intersectionalists treat class as a kind of flat white,male,cis, and straight oppression, that sexism, racism, homophobia and such simply add onto, instead of understanding that racism and sexism in particular are articulated and experienced through class, through lower wages, less access to health care, housing, education etc.

That the colour line is a class line. It's so simple.

 

[belboid]

Thanks Phil. Obviously people come to something with preconceptions and refuse to see the whole picture. It's called 'framing' in a white narrative.

that really isn't an insightful post tho, is it? All it says is that racism exists, and that being working class doesnt make it go away. Well, duhh. Class is relegated to a minor position within your lexicon, which is why it doesnt get a mention within the 'white cis heteropatriarchy.' And why you just dont seem to get the point about 'Michelle Obama in a tracksuit'

btw: you'd rather have Helen Lewis on your side than Dwyer. No, really

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Innit.

For people like them, the content of what you write is unimportant. I'd be willing to bet that they haven't even glance at your blog. You simply "tick" all their "boxes."

Oh, I know I do. They think they're so original *smirk*

 

[DotCommunist]

Don't kid yourself you're that important.

I'm aware of my mediocrity

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Does the veracity of what he is saying change depending on his race?

Yes.

 

[revol68]

Are you white?

Quite an offensive question and get's to the shitty relativist basis for intersectionalist discussion, it is no longer what is argued but who is arguing it that matters, hence the tedious need to assert how shat upon you are in every post.

 

[phildwyer]

Dwyer you do understand the distinction between understanding class and this piss weak "classism" of intersectionality.

Yes I do understand that. But the logical contradiction is between capital and labor, not between social classes.

 

[J Ed]

Yes.

Disappointing

 

[Obnoxiousness]

Why can't we all get along?

 

[Bakunin]

Yes.

How does that work, then?

 

[rekil]

I don't think Sam is old enough to appreciate that some of us Irish types (800 years of cumulative oppression points right there!) are not exactly strangers to being stopped, searched, having guns pointed at us and all the rest.

 

[butchersapron]

Sam's blog has the sub-headline:

We Exist Together.

Really.

 

[Sam Ambreen]

Ok, I'm out. I just needed to see some of the shite firsthand. I'm sure some of you genuinely believe in equality for all and that in order to achieve that, you have to level out the playing field by calling out the inconsistencies. I am sorry you cannot understand the jargon but I do and it's not my fault I can even tho I'm not the educated middle class women you have dismissed me as previously. This entitlement emanating from various individuals on here; have a think on that maybe?

 

[TruXta]

Ok, I'm out. I just needed to see some of the shite firsthand. I'm sure some of you genuinely believe in equality for all and that in order to achieve that, you have to level out the playing field by calling out the inconsistencies. I am sorry you cannot understand the jargon but I do and it's not my fault I can even tho I'm not the educated middle class women you have dismissed me as previously. This entitlement emanating from various individuals on here; have a think on that maybe?

You go first.

 

[Bakunin]

Ok, I'm out. I just needed to see some of the shite firsthand. I'm sure some of you genuinely believe in equality for all and that in order to achieve that, you have to level out the playing field by calling out the inconsistencies. I am sorry you cannot understand the jargon but I do and it's not my fault I can even tho I'm not the educated middle class women you have dismissed me as previously. This entitlement emanating from various individuals on here; have a think on that maybe?

So, how does a person's skin colour relate to their veracity?

 

[Sam Ambreen]

I don't think Sam is old enough to appreciate that some of us Irish types (800 years of cumulative oppression points right there!) are not exactly strangers to being stopped, searched, having guns pointed at us and all the rest.

Seriously, have a ganders at Gerry Adams on Twitter and his adoring fanbase. Almost impossible to believe the IRA were ever a thing. Terrorist means Muslim these days, pure and simple. Next you'll be telling me my culture has been oppressing your culture for the last 800 yrs a la Ciaron Cunt O Reilly cos I "don't look brown enough to be Asian".

 

[TruXta]

I am sorry you cannot understand the jargon but I do and it's not my fault I can

Dunno whether to laugh or cry here.

 

[frogwoman]

well its quite simple, who does someone like me have more in common with in terms of conditions of life, life expectancy, amount of money, amount of leisure time,amount of social, financial and political capital. Ariel sharon or the person sitting at the desk next to mine, who happens to be black btw. who does she have more in common with? Our other workmates or someone like Barack Obama?

out of them two who really understands what our lives are like?? Some powerful twat who has been pampered all of their lives or a low income worker like us?

quite simple really.

 

[revol68]

Yes I do understand that. But the logical contradiction is between capital and labor, not between social classes.

and capital hasn't orgainsed labour along racist or sexist lines, pink collar work, the exclusion of women from the wage form and how even now this leads to traditionally female jobs being lower paid. If you wish to flatten the contradiction between capital and labour to such an extent that's your problem and as such I can see why you might think intersectionality is a handy addition but really all you are doing is adding together two impoverished theories.

 

[belboid]

Ok, I'm out. I just needed to see some of the shite firsthand. I'm sure some of you genuinely believe in equality for all and that in order to achieve that, you have to level out the playing field by calling out the inconsistencies. I am sorry you cannot understand the jargon but I do and it's not my fault I can even tho I'm not the educated middle class women you have dismissed me as previously. This entitlement emanating from various individuals on here; have a think on that maybe?

But the thing is, in your hour here, you've contradicted yourself, lied, ignored most of the points being made, and failed to even attempt to develop a rounded argument that makes sense beyond the narrow confines of your blog readers (ie people who largely agree with you anyway. The easy ones). You dismiss people without knowing a thing about them, and, whats worst, you do it really really badly. You can write more than 140 characters n here you know, which is what you need to do to develop a plausible argument.