Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-25

[elbows]

A380 - I am reviewing my opinion here. Have people stuck all over Europe and gates allocated, aircraft there but can't fly. One aspect is that the system that tells the pilots how much fuel to load, where to place cargo, take off speeds etc. is also not working, never heard of that before. Got cyber attack all over it.

It was the timing and the number of different systems that went down that makes me keep an open mind about those possibilities. One article mentions that the customer-facing website and app were also down for a time yesterday.

 

[YouSir]

Abramovich has given up control of Chelsea to its charity foundation

Statement from Club Owner Roman Abramovich

The following statement has been published...

www.chelseafc.com

Is this a way of skirting round the sanctions?

Definitely a way of trying, isn't it?

 

[Aladdin]

They have families they'd like to see again. A non-starter IMO.

If 1000s of them opt to leave and get assylum in the west, there could well be a lot of upheaval in Russia leading to a change in leadership and a move towards more freedom of movement in the future. Their families might be able to leave too e eventually.

 

[elbows]

Is this a way of skirting round the sanctions?

That will be the intention, to protect the club itself from that sort of thing, but its a bit early yet to work out what ramifications may remain despite this arrangement. Abramovich has attempted to be proactive while he still can, whether it will work I dont know.

 

[bimble]

Because the kids they sent in were barely trained.

I was just trying to understand what existentialist was on about, he seems to think that Russia is bluffing, pretending to be crap whilst all the good war machines & proper hard soldiers are waiting in the wings.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Abramovich has given up control of Chelsea to its charity foundation

Statement from Club Owner Roman Abramovich

The following statement has been published...

www.chelseafc.com

Is this a way of skirting round the sanctions?

trans:

I'm not going to condemn the invasion.

 

[elbows]

Why would they bother pretending for 2 days to be crap at fighting ? It was billed in the guardian yesterday morning as a ‘lightning attack’ , been a bit like my cheap crappy NYE fireworks so far.
I think very likely the expectation was that there’d be no resistance, as in 1968 and as RT was pretending was the case before they went off air.

They should have known from 2014 that this would not be the case.

As I mentioned earlier, some in Russia were led to expect an operation that took about 2 weeks to complete its main objectives, so until we get to that sort of timeframe, or more relevant events happen that further change our perception of how its going, I'm not getting carried away with 'its already gone totally pear shaped for Russia' narratives.

 

[YouSir]

They should have known from 2014 that this would not be the case.

As I mentioned earlier, some in Russia were led to expect an operation that took about 2 weeks to complete its main objectives, so until we get to that sort of timeframe, or more relevant events happen that further change our perception of how its going, I'm not getting carried away with 'its already gone totally pear shaped for Russia' narratives.

What does it going badly ultimately mean anyway? Russia can absorb heavy casualties and they can also increase the level of indiscriminate violence until it becomes inescapable. Unless people are predicting mass surrenders from Russian troops, foreign intervention or Putin being deposed the machinery remains to turn Ukraine into a vast meat grinder like Chechnya.

Also cynical of those who say that'd never happen because they 'wouldn't do that to Ukrainians'. Comforting prospect of racism aside I bet Putin would.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It was the timing and the number of different systems that went down that makes me keep an open mind about those possibilities. One article mentions that the customer-facing website and app were also down for a time yesterday.

That's down all the time. The pilots' systems though, that's a closed system and utterly crucial. The UK was the first to ban Russian aircraft and the first to get a reciprocal banning from Moscow...

 

[The39thStep]

trans:

I'm not going to condemn the invasion.

His daughter did

 

[The39thStep]

Abramovich has given up control of Chelsea to its charity foundation

Statement from Club Owner Roman Abramovich

The following statement has been published...

www.chelseafc.com

Is this a way of skirting round the sanctions?

Paying for Lukaku was our biggest sanction .

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What does it going badly ultimately mean anyway? Russia can absorb heavy casualties and they can also increase the level of indiscriminate violence until it becomes inescapable. Unless people are predicting mass surrenders from Russian troops, foreign intervention or Putin being deposed the machinery remains to turn Ukraine into a vast meat grinder like Chechnya.

Also cynical of those who say that'd never happen because they 'wouldn't do that to Ukrainians'. Comforting prospect of racism aside I bet Putin would.

There are big differences, though. Chechnya was a part of the Russian Federation. And the Russians were fighting against Islamists. I don't think there's much that's comparable between the two situations. Let's face it, most of the rest of the world didn't care that hundreds of thousands of Chechens died. It will care if thousands of Ukrainians die.

 

[cupid_stunt]

If 1000s of them opt to leave and get assylum in the west, there could well be a lot of upheaval in Russia leading to a change in leadership and a move towards more freedom of movement in the future. Their families might be able to leave too e eventually.

How many do you seriously think would take that option, which would involve leaving their families behind to be punished by Putin's lot?

 

[bimble]

That's down all the time. The pilots' systems though, that's a closed system and utterly crucial. The UK was the first to ban Russian aircraft and the first to get a reciprocal banning from Moscow...

Interesting. That bit is not in the news. Guardian thing just says there's problems at heathrow & its 'unrelated to cyber-attacks'.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

His daughter did

Fair dos, yes she did.

 

[CyberRose]

Trying to do a bit of digging on the Chelsea Foundation (which I assume is the 'charitable foundation' referred to). Bruce Buck is the chairman of the foundation. He's also the chairman of Chelsea and managing partner of the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom (which arranged Abromovich's takeover of Chelsea). This law firm also counts amongst its clients ex-Ukrainian president Yanukovych. One of the actions on his behalf was a report justifying the imprisonment of PM Yulia Tymoshenko. They were also investigated by the US Attorney for lobbying violations involving Paul Manafort (Trump's advisor).

Basically, it looks like Abramovich's investment in Chelsea is in 'good' hands.

Foundation Trustees

www.chelseafc.com

Bruce Buck - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[bimble]

What does it going badly ultimately mean anyway? Russia can absorb heavy casualties and they can also increase the level of indiscriminate violence until it becomes inescapable.

it's probably easier to say what 'going well' would have looked like, from Putin's point of view, and this definitely isn't it (at very least the president should have fled, now the best that can happen is probably that he becomes a folk hero martyr animating a long drawn out insurgency).

 

[The39thStep]

Trying to do a bit of digging on the Chelsea Foundation (which I assume is the 'charitable foundation' referred to. Bruce Buck is the chairman of the foundation. He's also the chairman of Chelsea and managing partner of the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom (which arranged Abromovich's takeover of Chelsea). This law form also counts as its clients ex-Ukrainian president Yanukovych, one of the actions on his behalf was a report justifying the imprisonment of PM Yulia Tymoshenko. They were also investigated by the US Attorney for lobbying violations involving Paul Manafort (Trump's advisor).

Basically, it looks like Abramovich's investment in Chelsea is in 'good' hands.

Foundation Trustees

www.chelseafc.com

Bruce Buck - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Meanwhile the EPL is live on Russian TV and have agreed a six year contract with another Russian TV broadcaster .

 

[bimble]

This sounds like things going pretty badly, if you're Putin, if it's true (which obviously idk) .

 

[CyberRose]

A complete mystery...


Or maybe not (20 minutes later)...


Edit to emphasise: "in the coming WEEKS"

 

[steveo87]

What's in made up of? I can't enlarge it.

Strictly speaking, cocks, bollocks and the occasional arse.

Which is remarkably apt.

 

[nogojones]

Trying to do a bit of digging on the Chelsea Foundation (which I assume is the 'charitable foundation' referred to). Bruce Buck is the chairman of the foundation. He's also the chairman of Chelsea and managing partner of the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom (which arranged Abromovich's takeover of Chelsea). This law firm also counts amongst its clients ex-Ukrainian president Yanukovych. One of the actions on his behalf was a report justifying the imprisonment of PM Yulia Tymoshenko. They were also investigated by the US Attorney for lobbying violations involving Paul Manafort (Trump's advisor).

Basically, it looks like Abramovich's investment in Chelsea is in 'good' hands.

Foundation Trustees

www.chelseafc.com

Bruce Buck - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom needs to be sanctioned as well

 

[agricola]

Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom needs to be sanctioned as well

if for no other reason than they are such a bad remake of Trumpton

 

[Bingoman]

A complete mystery...
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Or maybe not (20 minutes later)...
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Edit to emphasise: "in the coming WEEKS"

I wonder if Abramovich will be on that list

 

[Dystopiary]

A complete mystery...
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Or maybe not (20 minutes later)...
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Edit to emphasise: "in the coming WEEKS"

She's got to give them time and a warning to shift their assets!

 

[RileyOBlimey]

Abramovich has given up control of Chelsea to its charity foundation

Statement from Club Owner Roman Abramovich

The following statement has been published...

www.chelseafc.com

Is this a way of skirting round the sanctions?

Highly likely. See below for another example of Russian assets being shifted quick sharp…

“France has intercepted and impounded a Russian-flagged cargo ship suspected of breaching sanctions imposed because of the invasion of Ukraine.
The ship, the Baltic Leader, was heading from the north-western French city of Rouen to St Petersburg in Russia with a cargo of new cars.
It is being held at the Channel port of Boulogne.
Russian state media say the vessel is owned by a subsidiary of a bank targeted in recent EU and US sanctions.
A regional French official said such a measure was rare, but called it a sign of firmness.
The US Treasury Department has issued blocking sanctions against the vessel, saying it is owned by a subsidiary of Promsvyazbank, one of the Russian financial institutions hit by sanctions.
However, the bank has said it no longer owns the Baltic Leader. It told Reuters news agency that the ship was sold to another firm before the sanctions were imposed.”

Ukraine: France seizes Russian ship over sanctions

The Russian-flagged cargo ship is suspected of breaching sanctions imposed because of the Ukraine war.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Sprocket.]

It was the timing and the number of different systems that went down that makes me keep an open mind about those possibilities. One article mentions that the customer-facing website and app were also down for a time yesterday.

It is somewhat concerning that airports are capable of having cyber attacks on their systems.
What has concerned me in the past is that 600 of the world’s airports including 13 out of the top 20 are all served by the same company in The Netherlands. One fault at this company’s servers can possibly cascade through all of its customers.

 

[Raheem]

She's got to give them time and a warning to shift their assets!

Also need to get some top prestigious law firm to advise on how to make the sanctions most effective. I don't know who but, just off the top of my head, maybe Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom could do it.

 

[friedaweed]

trans:

I'm not going to condemn the invasion.

Hardly likely really if he wants to stay out of hospital.

Do we know where he is? Is he back in the Motherland?

 

[elbows]

it's probably easier to say what 'going well' would have looked like, from Putin's point of view, and this definitely isn't it (at very least the president should have fled, now the best that can happen is probably that he becomes a folk hero martyr animating a long drawn out insurgency).

It would be naive to expect the senior leadership to always flee. There are examples where they do and examples where they dont, its not something plans should be hinged around. And they are far more likely to flee uprisings than invasions. Country specific too, wasnt exactly surprising that the Afghan leader ran away given how hollow much of the regime and army was there.