Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-25

[DaveCinzano]

Telling people that Ukraine is bombing itself does seem to be an example of really desperate measures propaganda-wise.

Seemed quite popular in Syria

 

[Pickman's model]

Everyone I’ve read seems agreed that the war is ultimately (long term) unwinnable for Russia, that there are simply no good outcomes from this point onwards for Putin from this adventure.

Which just doesn’t leave much room for the whole he’s perfectly rational he’s playing 4D chess argument does it.
And saying that speculation about his state of mind is irrelevant also doesn’t make sense cos anticipating your adversaries reactions and assuming things about what they are thinking is kind of important if you’re deciding on yr next move in a fight.

If you're in a boxing match you pay attention to the fighter in the ring, not the man shouting instructions to your opponent. If you're playing football you pay attention to the players on the pitch, not to their manager shouting from the sidelines. I haven't seen you (or anyone else for that matter) adduce anything worth a shit on the ground from observation of Putin, who to continue the football analogy is sat somewhere up in the directors' box. Such speculation may be relevant to the thread but its value beyond sheer entertainment is dubious

 

[Pickman's model]

Seemed quite popular in Syria

And iraq

 

[Sprocket.]

If you're in a boxing match you pay attention to the fighter in the ring, not the man shouting instructions to your opponent. If you're playing football you pay attention to the players on the pitch, not to their manager shouting from the sidelines. I haven't seen you (or anyone else for that matter) adduce anything worth a shit on the ground from observation of Putin, who to continue the football analogy is sat somewhere up in the directors' box

Eating beluga caviar sandwiches.

 

[cupid_stunt]

As RT disappears off various UK TV platforms, because of the EU ban cutting off their satellite feeds, what does OFCOM do?

They announce a further 12 investigations into the channel, bringing the total to 27, the useless twats.

 

[A380]

And iraq

Obviously it's because they felt being invaded and occupied by an overwhelming foreign force worked out so well for them that they wanted to share the joy.

 

[Pickman's model]

Obviously it's because they felt being invaded and occupied by an overwhelming foreign force worked out so well for them that they wanted to share the joy.

They knew if they stopped the Americans would go home. And that'd make them sad. No doubt.

 

[zahir]

An anti-war statement from China

Sharing the Shame 与有耻焉：A Letter from Internationalists in China 来自中国大陆国际主义者的一封信

Chinese netizens are unfortunately seen at this time as the loudest supporters of war and Putin. Progressive anti-war voices are muted, and protesters are punished.

chuangcn.org

As noted in our previous post, the Chinese state and social media platforms have been censoring some of the content critical of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (although this has been inconsistent, as the state itself has yet to take a clear stance on the matter). Meanwhile we received the following letter from an anonymous group that identifies as mainland Chinese internationalists.

 

[strung out]

As RT disappears off various UK TV platforms, because of the EU ban cutting off their satellite feeds, what does OFCOM do?

They announce a further 12 investigations into the channel, bringing the total to 27, the useless twats.

Nobody gives a fuck about OFCOM, stop going on about them.

 

[Pickman's model]

Nobody gives a fuck about OFCOM, stop going on about them.

Ofcom,.that's a name I hadn't heard for a while. I imagine them to be like the seven sleepers of Ephesus, quietly kipping away for year upon year

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Looks like an interview with another Russian head-banger on ch4 news tonight. They just played a clip of her getting cut off

 

[Spymaster]

BBC Breaking news:

Roman Abramovich says he's selling Chelsea FC with "net proceeds" to go to charitable foundations to help victims of war in Ukraine.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Nobody gives a fuck about OFCOM, stop going on about them.

And, yet others are replying & commenting on the RT/OFCOM situation, so you seem to be wrong on that point.

 

[Pickman's model]

BBC Breaking news:

Roman Abramovich says he's selling Chelsea FC with "net proceeds" to go to charitable foundations to help victims of war in Ukraine.

Yeh I can't help thinking he means himself as a victim of the war due to the disruption of his business interests

 

[killer b]

The second bit is just brain twisting. The news in Russia says that Ukrainians are currently bombing their own selves. If you say otherwise you’re distributing fake news and off to prison you go.

while this might be a real thing that gets passed by the Russian parliament, it also has the air of one of those deranged amendments that nutter backbench r/w tory MPs try to stick on bills in the british parliament only to get voted down, which then get shared on twitter by lib dem commentators claiming it's actual government policy

 

[Yossarian]

And, yet others are replying & commenting on the RT/OFCOM situation, so you seem to be wrong on that point.

I read updates on RT, OFCOM, and other elements of Russian disinformation with more interest than I read the endless complaints about other people's posts that seem to plague this thread, though I realise this post also qualifies as a complaint about other people's posts.

 

[Pickman's model]

I read updates on RT, OFCOM, and other elements of Russian disinformation with more interest than I read the endless complaints about other people's posts that seem to plague this thread, though I realise this post also qualifies complaint about other people's posts.

When you say with more interest, are these updates actually of any interest?

 

[bimble]

while this might be a real thing that gets passed by the Russian parliament, it also has the air of one of those deranged amendments that nutter backbench r/w tory MPs try to stick on bills in the british parliament only to get voted down, which then get shared on twitter by lib dem commentators claiming it's actual government policy

I think it’s a real thing, idk how often stuff gets voted down if Putin wants it to happen?

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www.kommersant.ru

 

[Spymaster]

Yeh I can't help thinking he means himself as a victim of the war due to the disruption of his business interests

I'm wondering how he sells Chelsea (an asset) if his assets are frozen, at (obvs) what the swerve is.

 

[Raheem]

BBC Breaking news:

Roman Abramovich says he's selling Chelsea FC with "net proceeds" to go to charitable foundations to help victims of war in Ukraine.

Wonder how much proceeds he will actually get for the nets.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm wondering how he sells Chelsea (an asset) if his assets are frozen, at (obvs) what the swerve is.

Apparently he's not been sanctioned yet

 

[Pickman's model]

Wonder how much proceeds he will actually get for the nets.

Well spotted

 

[killer b]

I think it’s a real thing, idk how often stuff gets voted down if Putin wants it to happen?

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www.kommersant.ru

I'm sure the amendments are real - it wasn't clear from what was quoted in that tweet that it was Putin who added them though.

 

[IC3D]

the U.N. has voted to condemn the invasion

 

[weltweit]

The late great Peter Ustinov commented on the difficulty of fighting the Russians in WWII with specific comment on their supply lines. I find I have mentioned the story more than once so instead I will just link to my earlier post which is here:

World War II

It strikes me as unusal that there is no thread where one can post any random stuff on ones mind regarding World War Two.

www.urban75.net

 

[SpookyFrank]

It’s really hard to imagine watching TV in Russia, being told that Ukrainians are currently busy bombing their own cities just to make us look bad, and believing it.
Will anyone actually believe that ?

That's not particularly mental by the standards of late Putin-era Russian TV news tbh.

 

[planetgeli]

In other outlier news.

Serb nationalists in Montenegro rally in support of Russia

About 100 Serb nationalists rallied in front of an Orthodox church in Montenegro on Monday in a rare European display of support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and President Vladimir Putin.

www.reuters.com

I'm off to Montenegro at Easter.

 

[kebabking]

In other outlier news.

Serb nationalists in Montenegro rally in support of Russia

About 100 Serb nationalists rallied in front of an Orthodox church in Montenegro on Monday in a rare European display of support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and President Vladimir Putin.

www.reuters.com

I'm off to Montenegro at Easter.

And in travel insurance news - err.. yeah, no.

 

[bimble]

twitter thread again soz .
This probably gives a good insight into what the hoped for outcomes might be, or have been: "Three Possible Scenarios for the Future Functioning of Ukraine After the Russian Special Operation."

 

[bluescreen]

twitter thread again soz .
This probably gives a good insight into what the hoped for outcomes might be, or have been: "Three Possible Scenarios for the Future Functioning of Ukraine After the Russian Special Operation."

Dear God. And on that thread, the link to the letter from a Russian academic - makes me feel utterly hopeless that there can be any mass movement against Putin (as if that could have achieved anything anyway). Here's an extract of his reply to Tatyana Deryugina, who conducted the research among her contacts:

I recently had a political discussion at work and learned the positions of some of my colleagues. Slightly less than half (me included) share your view, a few others (one of whom has relatives in Donetsk) think that Ukraine didn’t carry out the Minsk agreement and was shelling Donbas, as a result of which Ukraine provoked Putin to start all this and to end nationalism and genocide of residents of that region (they are still against military intervention, but think they would have started sooner or later regardless). One colleague thinks that, like Kosovo, Crimea was annexed legitimately (the region decided for itself) and DPR and LPR should follow its example, and a military operation will be helpful. And a few colleagues have communist viewpoints and think that Russians in Ukraine were being oppressed, that Ukraine wanted to be a threat to Russia and place weapons aimed at the Russian Federation in the East of the country (including in Crimea). They think that, sooner or later, Ukraine, together with Western countries, would have started an aggression against Russia and so in their view the destruction of the Russian economy because of this war is better than the destruction of Russia itself if it were to take no action with respect to Crimea and Donbas. And so they are expecting that Russia will gain control of Ukraine as a result of what’s going on now, after which it will install a puppet government or even try to annex the country or part of it.

A view from Russian academia – Tatyana Deryugina

deryugina.com