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Ukraine and the Russian invasion, 2022-25

a very negative account of the Russian situation. I hope it is really that bad for them.

The piece concludes:
"If there was ever any possibility that this war would end with the complete subjugation of Ukraine by force of arms this has now gone. Nor will it end with Russian forces being chased out of the country. Most likely there will be a negotiated conclusion, probably at the cease-fire talks. "

...the sooner that happens the better. thats why the west needs to stop encouraging the fighting to continue and push for a settlement. I dont see any lipservice to that even.

It's up to Ukrainians if they want to settle, 'the West' shouldn't be pushing for them to do that. And what settlement would be OK with you if you lived in Ukraine, give up the country to a Russian puppet regime? Would you always argue for settlement in all situations? <Insert lazy Nazi invasion of France question here.>

I think funneling them weapons, training, and aid is right, especially at the moment. See what happens longer term, I might adjust my opinion.
 
It's up to Ukrainians if they want to settle, 'the West' shouldn't be pushing for them to do that. And what settlement would be OK with you if you lived in Ukraine, give up the country to a Russian puppet regime?
well the war studies guy you linked to says
"{ukraine will have to} make some major concessions, such as accept the loss of Crimea, [but} they must emerge from this ordeal as a free and independent country with no Russian troops on their soil."
 
It's up to Ukrainians if they want to settle, 'the West' shouldn't be pushing for them to do that. And what settlement would be OK with you if you lived in Ukraine, give up the country to a Russian puppet regime? Would you always argue for settlement in all situations? <Insert lazy Nazi invasion of France question here.>

I think funneling them weapons, training, and aid is right, especially at the moment. See what happens longer term, I might adjust my opinion.

The 'Ukrainians' probably don't want anything except for not to be invaded or at risk of dying. Different groups of Ukrainians are, no doubt, more or less open to negotiated settlements - judging where the majority view lays and how much it should be advocated for is a different issue.
 
well the war studies guy you linked to says
"{ukraine will have to} make some major concessions, such as accept the loss of Crimea, [but} they must emerge from this ordeal as a free and independent country with no Russian troops on their soil."

That last bit looks like something Putin might well not agree too, especially in the short to medium term, but yes longer term the Ukraine State might well have to accept some losses of parts of the country. And until then what? Continue fighting or surrender and accept the Russian occupation. Might more fighting now mean a stronger Ukrainian position and so a better settlement is possible in the future?
 
Russia seems to be putting increased focus on Ukrainian plans to develop nuclear weapons. Might possibly be part of an attempt to manufacture a face-saving concession.
 
a very negative account of the Russian situation. I hope it is really that bad for them.

The piece concludes:
"If there was ever any possibility that this war would end with the complete subjugation of Ukraine by force of arms this has now gone. Nor will it end with Russian forces being chased out of the country. Most likely there will be a negotiated conclusion, probably at the cease-fire talks. "

...the sooner that happens the better. thats why the west needs to stop encouraging the fighting to continue and push for a settlement. I dont see any lipservice to that even.
I think that assumes a degree of good faith on Putin's part that looks very unlikely to exist.
 
Again, sorry for the derail:

:) Yeah, it's just that Russia is supplying its low grade power plant oil to Europe and continues to benefit from it. The US could reactivate the Keystone and become the alternative source in order to sanction Russia in a serious way. But meanwhile, Putin is bound to believe he can weather the storm with the sanctions that have been done to this point. Take away his oil and he can't fund his army and also the entirety of Russia will be in a full blown panic along with the sanctions already in place. How democratic are coups anyway? The best hope at this point would be a coup. The longer this goes on, the greater the chance that there's an incident with warplanes or navies and that could elevate this to a world war. I know you know that but I think we should do whatever we can to prevent it.

Please be more precise in how you're naming things. I think you're getting the Keystone XL pipeline confused with the Keystone Pipeline System. The existing system (the Keystone Pipeline System) is still functional and wasn't shut down. The Keystone XL line that was to run from Canada into Nebraska was denied a permit and hasn't been built yet. If the Keystone XL pipeline was allowed a permit to be built (extremely unlikely), it would take a minimum of two years before it would be functional.

The Keystone Pipeline moves crude oil from tar sands refineries in Canada and the Midwest to refineries in Texas. It is not shut down. President Joe Biden signed an executive order on January 20, 2021, revoking the permit for the Keystone XL, which stands for Keystone "export limited," segment of the Keystone system, which is the fourth phase of the system.

Here is a map of the current Keystone Pipeline from the company's website. Solid green shows the full length in operation and the dotted green line shows the proposed Keystone XL project that was halted in January 2021:

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Might more fighting now mean a stronger Ukrainian position and so a better settlement is possible in the future?
I cant see why - I mean wtf do i know - but it looks like a sort of stale mate - if anything Ukraine's position will just get worse as their supply lines and utilities/food get cut off, civilians despair, military imbalance grows etc
By my way of thinking the sooner the better
 
well the war studies guy you linked to says
"{ukraine will have to} make some major concessions, such as accept the loss of Crimea, [but} they must emerge from this ordeal as a free and independent country with no Russian troops on their soil."
That's not what he says. The bits you have put in brackets do not reflect the sentence written in the article:

Although it is possible to conjure up some document in which the Ukrainians promise not to do things that they would not have done anyway (like develop a nuclear arsenal or be Nazis), and might even make some major concessions, such as accept the loss of Crimea, they must emerge from this ordeal as a free and independent country with no Russian troops on their soil.
 
There's a report on the BBC that peace talks may resume later today

13:07 Peace talks to resume - Russian reports

Peace talks will resume on Wednesday evening between Russia and Ukraine, according to Russian state news agency Tass. "Our delegation will be ready to continue talks," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.

It follows a first round of talks on the Russian-Belarusian border, which failed to reach any resolution.

President Vladimir Putin's aide Vladimir Medinsky will once again be the chief negotiator for Russia, reports say."I think things will stay the same. Nothing will change. We will stick by our position. Same people involved," presidential advisor Olexiy Arestovych told Suspilne TV.

There is no word yet on where the talks might take place.


Doesn't look like very substantial, TBH, may just be for home ie Russian consumption or other propaganda purposes
Talks like this can sometimes be used for agreeing non-contentious stuff like repatriation of bodies, opening communication channels for prisoners and stuff like that, sometimes setting boundaries of conflict. I doubt anything will be achieved in the bigger picture.
 
I cant see why - I mean wtf do i know - but it looks like a sort of stale mate - if anything Ukraine's position will just get worse as their supply lines and utilities/food get cut off, civilians despair, military imbalance grows etc
By my way of thinking the sooner the better
Too many people in the west caught up in the exciting narrative of good against evil.
 
There's quite a big difference between "will have to" and "might even".
i dont see it - in the authors opinion its a protracted stand off that can only be concluded by talks, those talks will require concessions, obviously. theres not much more to say at this point
 
Another analysis by Freedman (Professor of War Studies at KCL) about where the fight is now.

Summary is: not gone well for Russia, choice now between siege or smash the cities with artillery+, and either way makes Putin's position longer term look uncertain.

That, grim as it is, qualifies as the most uplifting thing I’ve read for days.
He thinks there’s as much chance of regime change in Moscow as in Kyev. Haven’t seen anyone else go that far.
 
This doesn't sound like good news. :(

India is asking its nationals to leave Ukraine’s second-largest city of Kharkiv by Wednesday evening, based on information Indian authorities have received from Russia.

External Affairs Ministry spokesman Arindam Bagchi said Indian nationals have been advised to move to three safe zones nine miles away, the Associated press reported. Bagchi declined to give details about what information New Delhi had received from Russia, which is invading Ukraine.

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CNN is reporting participation as a confirmed by a Ukraine presidential aide... Though not really sure what value that has.
That war professor who LynnDoyleCooper linked to makes the point that just having these negotiations is in a way Russia newly acknowledging the legitimacy of the Ukrainian government, which is an interesting point.

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This doesn't sound like good news. :(

It's probably as much Modi getting on the phone and saying 'er... there are several thousand fairly well to do Indians stuck in the city you're shelling, might want to give them a route out' as anything else. Some reports of similar with Chinese nationals in Kyiv. It would be an absolute disaster for Putin if there were mass casualties from either nation.
 
It looks like Russia has been beaten back out of Kherson - Mayor said this morning that they were under occupation, now saying they are back in control. Guardian is reporting that Kherson is now besieged.


Kherson would have been the biggest victory for Russia so far if they had held it - a port city with a population of 300,000.

If they are struggling to hold a city with 1/10th the population of Kiev after a week of fighting, that suggests things are definitely going pretty badly.
 
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