Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[ViolentPanda]

Like you fucking care about my "credibility" - you've ridiculed, mocked, bullied and abused me here for years. But heaven forbid I remind you of that because then it's all about me. Me, ME, ME

Your posts are all "me me me". You're either incapable of seeing other perspectives than your own, or unwilling to. You see any reply to your posts that doesn't agree with you as an attack. You're complicit in your own supposed abuse.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Are you on crack son? Who blamed Japan? You total muppet.

That'd be me, apparently, even though all I did was make the accurate point that the Japanese state is as caught up in othering people as the British state is, so didn't actually blame Japan for anything.

 

[butchersapron]

Spoken like the white man kenan is.


Those quotes are perfect i think.

 

[Idris2002]

Those quotes are perfect i think.

Careful now.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Not even the bridge over the river Kwai?

Not even.

 

[krtek a houby]

I haven't blamed anything on Japan. I've said that you're carping about UK racism, when the Japanese state has a reputation that's as bad as or worse than the UK (and that's without mentioning the Ainu).

I won't expect an apology, as you're probably too much of a self-righteous cunt to make one.

Yes, I read what you posted. I don't deny it. I've seen it first hand. Just don't know what it has to do with UKIP; that's all.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, I read what you posted. I don't deny it. I've seen it first hand. Just don't know what it has to do with UKIP; that's all.

So why vomit your bilious shit all over me, and invent some insult I haven't made?

 

[krtek a houby]

So why vomit your bilious shit all over me, and invent some insult I haven't made?

Because I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take any more

 

[Idris2002]

Because I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take any more

This isn't good for you, jer, this kind of behaviour.

I'm saying this in all sincerity. You can't fix your issues by acting like this, you can only make them worse. I know you'll interpret this as me sniping at you, but I genuinely mean it.

 

[krtek a houby]

This isn't good for you, jer, this kind of behaviour.

I'm saying this in all sincerity. You can't fix your issues by acting like this, you can only make them worse. I know you'll interpret this as me sniping at you, but I genuinely mean it.

Thanks Brian; I don't mind when people tear my statements/questions apart in the name of healthy debate - it's when butcher's does it on every thread simply for the sake of it - year in year out; it kind of grates.

I don't like UKIP, I don't trust them. I don't trust most political parties but I have a particular dislike for this party. It's emotive, racism makes me see red and perhaps lose my reason or coherence. I'm not great at retaining all the big ideas I read here but I will try harder.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

If that was Miliband the press would be awash with "OMG, what a hopeless freak! He must be ditched NOW!"

 

[SpackleFrog]

Someone brought Japan into the argument which has nothing, nothing to do with UKIP and this country.

Who did? I mean, I know who mentioned Japan, obviously. But they weren't blaming Japan, they were mocking you. So who blamed Japan?

 

[SpackleFrog]

racism makes me see red and perhaps lose my reason or coherence. I'm not great at retaining all the big ideas I read here but I will try harder.

So why do you hate UKIP more than the other racist parties?

 

[krtek a houby]

So why do you hate UKIP more than the other racist parties?

Because they're getting away with it & people seem to love them; like its the answer to all their problems. Its not.

 

[chilango]

Another UKIP-related post from Kenan Malik: http://kenanmalik.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/populism-what-why-how/

Thought this bit was good:

And here he echoes what's been said by many here:


(Edited a bit more into first quote)

Fuck yeah.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Because they're getting away with it & people seem to love them; like its the answer to all their problems. Its not.

They are also more overtly racist. That's not to excuse covert racism of course, but that senior members can just trot out stuff like "bongo bongo", "ting tong" or NF's comments on Romanians and seem to get more or less clean away with it is very disturbing.

 

[J Ed]

And make sure that butchers is on standby to make all those incisive, witty and helpful comments and check his dossier on everyone that just plain gets on his tits.

It's a day I never thought I'd see - UKIP75. Shut up about racism! It's about the honest, put upon sainted working classes who have been forced to vote for the heinous party.

My ass it is.

UKIP75 is amazing

 

[rioted]

UKIP75 is amazing

Many a true word ...

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9049

Shows transition of votes between parties over last few years.

 

[J Ed]

Many a true word ...

Can't wait for krtek to expose Proletarian Democracy as the crypto-UKIP group that they are, UKIP entryists have infiltrated the entryists lol

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

It's a day I never thought I'd see - UKIP75. Shut up about racism!

Actually, we've been round that block before.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Those are good articles, and I think coalesence around them would show far less disagreement on this thread than all the sweariness and sarcasm may imply (I include myself in the latter category)

But I am still weirded out by how, as Malik states, these populists get to see themselves as against the mainstream. Reactionary sentiment is pretty commonplace in the mainstream, there's no getting away from it. It's just standard stuff that they have a martyr complex, thinking that everything is dominated by "the left/metropolitan elites/pc brigade" or whatever cobwebbed cliche comes to hand.

 

[andysays]

Can't wait for krtek to expose Proletarian Democracy as the crypto-UKIP group that they are, UKIP entryists have infiltrated the entryists lol

I thought that as good Posadists, PD were in favour of inter-galactic immigration. Can't see that being too popular with Nigel and the gang.

 

[brogdale]

I thought that as good Posadists, PD were in favour of inter-galactic immigration. Can't see that being too popular with Nigel and the gang.

As long as the aliens have qualifications or skills to count towards the points-based, controlled inter-galactic immigration....no worries.

 

[J Ed]

I thought that as good Posadists, PD were in favour of inter-galactic immigration. Can't see that being too popular with Nigel and the gang.

On the contrary, thanks to Posadist entryist cadre working at the highest levels within UKIP's inner circle, the party's immigration policy is already orientated purely around "space not race".

 

[andysays]

On the contrary, thanks to Posadist entryist cadre working at the highest levels within UKIP's inner circle, the party's immigration policy is already orientated purely around "space not race".

And soundtracked by member in absentia Sun Ra, no doubt

 

[redsquirrel]

Stop bullying him!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Those are good articles, and I think coalesence around them would show far less disagreement on this thread than all the sweariness and sarcasm may imply (I include myself in the latter category)

But I am still weirded out by how, as Malik states, these populists get to see themselves as against the mainstream. Reactionary sentiment is pretty commonplace in the mainstream, there's no getting away from it. It's just standard stuff that they have a martyr complex, thinking that everything is dominated by "the left/metropolitan elites/pc brigade" or whatever cobwebbed cliche comes to hand.

Reactionaries seeing themselves as radicals is nothing new. When you're so reactionary that your views are calcified, then anything outside of that will seem to be a radical proposal or act, just as when you're that reactionary, any politics outside of your own can be categorised as "left" or "liberal" or "elite".
Of course, what goes unsaid is that UKIP's reactionary politics are just as "elite" as those of the mainstream political parties, just masked in a particular set of sentiments to appeal to protest voters and those right-wingers who believe in parliamentary politics (another reason why UKIP aren't fascist, by the way).

 

[ManchesterBeth]

I thought that as good Posadists, PD were in favour of inter-galactic immigration. Can't see that being too popular with Nigel and the gang.

IIRC (though I can't find anything in English) Posadas was tortured by the Argentinian authorities. His '68 onwards ramblings do make more sense if this is true.

Of course, this doesn't excuse any of his followers...

 

[brogdale]

Was faffing around in Foyles yesterday,(as Slavoj Žižek swanned through with a small entourage...btw),
and realised that I'd fallen for their 25th anniversary marketing schtick by flicking through loads of the GDR themed books.

Obviously, the Ostalgie stuff was well represented, but some of the better work explored the "social trends" type polling that has explored the developing and complicated relationship that many former, particularly older, Ossis have with their former state.

I was reading accounts of how many recalled the shock of the revelations of the luxurious life led by their former elite, and the extent to which they were surveilled. And yet there were plenty of expressions of regret that they had left a society in which there was security of employment, child care, equality and fairness of welfare provision etc...and a feeling of being left behind since die wende.

Then it struck me......and much of UKIP's support is concentrated in the East as well!

UKIPstalgie.