Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[SpackleFrog]

[="krtek a houby, post: 13516859, member: 2838"]Ah, the thinly veiled threat of violence in order to shut down any and all dissent.

This country has become so racist it's taken for granted now. Fucking hell.[/QUOTE]

You're good value I'll give you that! Come off it, for a start I have no idea who you are or where you live (you might well be bigger than me!) so I'd have to be pretty thick to threaten you. What I meant was, if you were sat round a table and somebody kept repeating the same things over and over, calling people racist UKIP supporters for no clear reason and refused to either leave or listen to anyone, at some point someone would lose it and punch them, no?

Try this for size: UKIP are gaining support. Britain is demonstrably less racist than it was 50 years ago.

Did I just make your brain explode or can you process that?

 

[butchersapron]

Smack him one Darren!

 

[krtek a houby]

How is 'any and all dissent' being shut down? And what does your second sentence have to do with your first one?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Several posters have just been threatened a "punch" because we're not towing the line. Not conforming to the "UKIP aren't that bad" groupthought.

It strikes me that racism permeates the very air we breathe in, nowadays and because UKIP are an alternative and popular with the man on the street - one cannot be seen to disparage the party - less one is disaparaging of that sacred cow.

 

[krtek a houby]

[="krtek a houby, post: 13516859, member: 2838"]Ah, the thinly veiled threat of violence in order to shut down any and all dissent.

This country has become so racist it's taken for granted now. Fucking hell.

You're good value I'll give you that! Come off it, for a start I have no idea who you are or where you live (you might well be bigger than me!) so I'd have to be pretty thick to threaten you. What I meant was, if you were sat round a table and somebody kept repeating the same things over and over, calling people racist UKIP supporters for no clear reason and refused to either leave or listen to anyone, at some point someone would lose it and punch them, no?

Try this for size: UKIP are gaining support. Britain is demonstrably less racist than it was 50 years ago.

Did I just make your brain explode or can you process that?[/QUOTE]

"less racist", eh? Are you white, by any chance?

 

[8ball]

Not conforming to the "UKIP aren't that bad" groupthought.

It's more the idea that everyone who votes for UKIP is exactly as bad as UKIP that is the bone of contention.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ah, the thinly veiled threat of violence in order to shut down any and all dissent.

This country has become so racist it's taken for granted now. Fucking hell.

it's not a thinly veiled threat of violence.

it's not a threat of violence.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Several posters have just been threatened a "punch" because we're not towing the line. Not conforming to the "UKIP aren't that bad" groupthought.

It strikes me that racism permeates the very air we breathe in, nowadays and because UKIP are an alternative and popular with the man on the street - one cannot be seen to disparage the party - less one is disaparaging of that sacred cow.

No one has been threatened.

No one has said UKIP aren't that bad.

The party (UKIP) is thoroughly criticised, including but not only for it's racism.


Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[SpackleFrog]

Several posters have just been threatened a "punch" because we're not towing the line. Not conforming to the "UKIP aren't that bad" groupthought.

No they weren't, and nobody has said that "UKIP aren't that bad." Feel free to trawl through the whole thread (you really should tbh) and look for evidence of such.

It strikes me that racism permeates the very air we breathe in, nowadays and because UKIP are an alternative and popular with the man on the street - one cannot be seen to disparage the party - less one is disaparaging of that sacred cow.

Welcome to capitalism. The racism in society isn't a result of UKIP's popularity. Maybe you should think about where racism comes from rather than assuming all social phenomena are a direct result of mainstream political parties?

"less racist", eh? Are you white, by any chance?

My racial status is displayed for all to see in my tagline if you're interested. Are you white by any chance?

 

[8ball]

Let's not get started on hunting Whitey - there's loads of them on here!

 

[butchersapron]

Welcome to capitalism. The racism in society isn't a result of UKIP's popularity. Maybe you should think about where racism comes from rather than assuming all social phenomena are a direct result of mainstream political parties?

To pose such a question is itself racist in houby's world - see this depressing - and by now, ridiculously familiar - thread.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

[/QUOTE]"less racist", eh? Are you white, by any chance?[/QUOTE]

Rob Ford at Manchester University has done some interesting work on this looking back quite a bit further than the 50 years referred to; e.g. http://www.academia.edu/209861/Is_racial_prejudice_declining_in_Britain and http://blog.policy.manchester.ac.uk/featured/2014/08/the-decline-of-racial-prejudice-in-britain/

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is it ok to say some UKIP supporters might be racist now?

You mealy-mouthed fuck.
Throughout the thread people have argued against the likes of you claiming that UKIP is racist, but few have made any bones about some members of the party being racist, you disingenuous shit-eater.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's pretty simple.

We're at a point where something like 16-17% of the electorate (at least, it may be more now) are saying they will vote UKIP. If this amount of people are motivated to this primarily by racism (or more crudely because they are racist) then we are long past the point where drawing attention to this racism is of any use in combatting it.

However, simply looking at the sharp rise in UKIPs vote during by elections suggests that there is a large element of conscious, tactical protest voting amongst their support. It seems idiotic to ignore this and remain merely drawing attention to those UKIP voters who may be motivated by racism.

But...but...they is teh fash, innit? Twatboy sez so!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ah, the thinly veiled threat of violence in order to shut down any and all dissent.

This country has become so racist it's taken for granted now. Fucking hell.

Because, of course, you're not predisposed to see threats etc from certain posters, are you?
I mean, come the fuck on. You have to be pretty fucking goombah to twist what spacklefrog said into a veiled threat, unless you're actively seeking to read threats against you into the text.

And this country hasn't "become so racist", it's always been like this - it's the same in every country - attitudes to immigrants change with the economy. You can map most surges in racism for the last 1000 years to economic issues. All we're seeing here is the cyclic emergence of a political class that likes to use the issue of immigration and immigrants as a distraction from the actual problem, and to do that they stimulate an argument that they know will have traction precisely because they, the political class, have fucked up the economy.

What really makes me laugh with you carping about racism, is that you've mentioned moving to Japan - a state not unknown for its' own issues, and where xenophobia still plays massively well to the electorate.

 

[SpackleFrog]

To pose such a question is itself racist in houby's world - see this depressing - and by now, ridiculously familiar - thread.

Eish :/

 

[andysays]

Yes, you are. Almost as if you waiting, ready to pounce. Here's an idea; instead of clogging up the threads with your tedious little vendetta against me - why not pm me, instead? Or do you prefer an audience to showcase your ego, you tedious old fraud?

This has given me an idea actually, why don't you and taffboy gwyrdd start your own little mutually re-enforcing PM version of this thread, where you can swap repetitive comments about how UKIP supporters are all racists, you two are the only ones who can perceive this amazing and insightful truth, and everyone else on this thread are a bunch of racist apologist bastards who are only posting here to indulged our collective vendetta against the two of you?

Oh, and make sure you include plenty of witty gifs calling people out as fascists, they always go down well too...

 

[DotCommunist]

'are you white' the litmus test of anti-racism everywhere

 

[butchersapron]

'are you white' the litmus test of anti-racism everywhere

Even better when asked by a white person.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Even better when asked by a white person.

So krtek is an ignorant muhlungu just like me?

 

[butchersapron]

So krtek is an ignorant muhlungu just like me?

Indeed. But the most persecuted one of all.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I wonder if this is what Krtek hears when people talk to him?

 

[krtek a houby]

This has given me an idea actually, why don't you and taffboy gwyrdd start your own little mutually re-enforcing PM version of this thread, where you can swap repetitive comments about how UKIP supporters are all racists, you two are the only ones who can perceive this amazing and insightful truth, and everyone else on this thread are a bunch of racist apologist bastards who are only posting here to indulged our collective vendetta against the two of you?

Oh, and make sure you include plenty of witty gifs calling people out as fascists, they always go down well too...

And make sure that butchers is on standby to make all those incisive, witty and helpful comments and check his dossier on everyone that just plain gets on his tits.

It's a day I never thought I'd see - UKIP75. Shut up about racism! It's about the honest, put upon sainted working classes who have been forced to vote for the heinous party.

My ass it is.

 

[butchersapron]

Asstonishing.

 

[butchersapron]

And make sure that butchers is on standby to make all those incisive, witty and helpful comments and check his dossier on everyone that just plain gets on his tits.

It's a day I never thought I'd see - UKIP75. Shut up about racism! It's about the honest, put upon sainted working classes who have been forced to vote for the heinous party.

My ass it is.

Indicate where any posters said 'shut up about racism'- or make a case that they have done by weight of argument.

Don't smear.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

And make sure that butchers is on standby to make all those incisive, witty and helpful comments and check his dossier on everyone that just plain gets on his tits.

It's a day I never thought I'd see - UKIP75. Shut up about racism! It's about the honest, put upon sainted working classes who have been forced to vote for the heinous party.

My ass it is.

Are you actually reading what other people write?


Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[krtek a houby]

Indicate where any posters said 'shut up about racism'- or make a case that they have done by weight of argument.

Don't smear.

"If we were in a pub and you kept repeating the same sentence over and over and over, eventually someone would lose it and punch you. Why do you think its ok on this thread?"

That sounds like being told to shut the fuck up. Surely you must be used to it, in general?

 

[krtek a houby]

Are you actually reading what other people write?


Cheers - Louis MacNeice

I dunno, send me some of your stuff & I'll consider it.

 

[butchersapron]

"If we were in a pub and you kept repeating the same sentence over and over and over, eventually someone would lose it and punch you. Why do you think its ok on this thread?"

That sounds like being told to shut the fuck up. Surely you must be used to it, in general?

That clearly and cleanly is a of of bollocks that doesn't help your credibility.

 

[krtek a houby]

What really makes me laugh with you carping about racism, is that you've mentioned moving to Japan - a state not unknown for its' own issues, and where xenophobia still plays massively well to the electorate.

That's it. Blame it on Japan. You fuck.

 

[Idris2002]

"If we were in a pub and you kept repeating the same sentence over and over and over, eventually someone would lose it and punch you. Why do you think its ok on this thread?"

That sounds like being told to shut the fuck up. Surely you must be used to it, in general?

No, it sounds like someone who is totally exasperated with your behaviour expressing that exasperation.