Ukip - why are they gaining support?
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Louis MacNeice
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I think they were called eagle eyes and went with gripping hands...I don't think swivel eyes and gripping hands would have worked so well together on the adverts.
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
aah yes, Mr Reckless has been outspoken about aspects of this. Altho only in a rather inconsistent manner, you'll be surprised to learn
http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=news&issue=1378
And now Chuka Ummana is taking them on. It's good to see Labour on the attack.
taffboy gwyrdd
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"Every single person". Yes dear. Wanker.
taffboy gwyrdd
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I didnt see kret say there was one reason for voting ukip, racism. Could someone dig it out? It would be a daft thing to say.
krtek a houby
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Tbh, I thought it was about UKIP and not the fact that some posters don't like other posters.
krtek a houby
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Indeed not, I'm certain there are a myriad of different reasons why people are voting for them. In my experience, however, I haven't conversed with anyone who has much more to say than "foreigners/immigration/swamped etc etc".
In my experience.
taffboy gwyrdd
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Thanks for the clarification, looks like words may have been put in your mouth to condemn you with. I suppose its no more common a practice here than elsewhere in cyberspace.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Kret:
Thing is, being an ordinary drone, me - I talk to people (outside of the internet) and any UKIP supporter I've talked to isn't too pushed about the NHS, maternity leave, etc. It always, in my experience, is about immigration, "coloureds" (I kid you not) and jobs for "English people".
Their words not mine.
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taffboy gwyrdd
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He has said that he has been subjected to"viscious racist " abuse by ukip supporters. Just imagine. Why would that be?
taffboy gwyrdd
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[QU"Louis MacNeice, post: 13514711, member: 5126"]Kret:
Cheers - Louis MacNeice[/QUOTE]
Any hes talked to. His experience.
Thing is, being an ordinary drone, me - I talk to people (outside of the internet) and any UKIP supporter I've talked to isn't too pushed about the NHS, maternity leave, etc. It always, in my experience, is about immigration, "coloureds" (I kid you not) and jobs for "English people".
Their words not mine.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice[/QUOTE]
Any hes talked to. His experience.
krtek a houby
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In my experience. I've yet to meet an UKIP supporter who is concerned about the NHS, maternity leave, minimum wage, big business, corruption and similar issues. I'm not saying there isn't, mind.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
[/QUOTE]Any hes talked to. His experience.[/QUOTE]
Followed up by this heavily ironic post:
Do you think he meant that he was really 'taking on board the idea that not all UKIP supporters are swivel eyed loons' (i.e. the always racist UKIP supporters he was on about only minutes before)?
If you're right I'm glad he's taking a more thoughful look at UKIP.
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Followed up by this heavily ironic post:
Ok, let's go for a variety of approaches, then. Which, I imagine, would require me taking on board the idea that not all UKIP supporters are swivel eyed loons.
I concede that. I'm sure there are wonderful people intending to vote for UKIP and help usher in a new age of honesty, decency and prosperity in politics and British life in general.
Is that more like it?
I concede that. I'm sure there are wonderful people intending to vote for UKIP and help usher in a new age of honesty, decency and prosperity in politics and British life in general.
Is that more like it?
Do you think he meant that he was really 'taking on board the idea that not all UKIP supporters are swivel eyed loons' (i.e. the always racist UKIP supporters he was on about only minutes before)?
If you're right I'm glad he's taking a more thoughful look at UKIP.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Racism's the only reason I can see.
Why else would anyone object to cultural diversity?
More evidence suggesting that the "left/right" metaphor is dangerously misleading in the modern world.
SpackleFrog
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SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Any hes talked to. His experience.[/QUOTE]
I promise you I've talked to a lot more UKIP voters than you have. And the reasons are very, very different.
One of my favourites was "Yeah, I know UKIP are just posh tory bastards but so are Labour so what does it matter?".
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Probably cos he's black and they're racist. WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
taffboy gwyrdd
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This discuess
I promise you I've talked to a lot more UKIP voters than you have. And the reasons are very, very different.
One of my favourites was "Yeah, I know UKIP are just posh tory bastards but so are Labour so what does it matter?".[/QUOTE]
Actually the point here was who Krtek had spoken to, but I have talked to plenty of supporters. I don't know if thats more or less tha you or Krtek and it's not a competition. I find the reasons varied too, but migration stuff does tend come pretty high (more so in recent years, in the early years there was a lot more informed and genuine critique of the EU). There's also the ever odd sense that UKIP are seen as "anti establishment". Certainly Labour have neglected many areas, taken thumping ward majorities for granted. It's no secret and should be seen as a big problem of itself, regardless of UKIP.
I promise you I've talked to a lot more UKIP voters than you have. And the reasons are very, very different.
One of my favourites was "Yeah, I know UKIP are just posh tory bastards but so are Labour so what does it matter?".[/QUOTE]
Actually the point here was who Krtek had spoken to, but I have talked to plenty of supporters. I don't know if thats more or less tha you or Krtek and it's not a competition. I find the reasons varied too, but migration stuff does tend come pretty high (more so in recent years, in the early years there was a lot more informed and genuine critique of the EU). There's also the ever odd sense that UKIP are seen as "anti establishment". Certainly Labour have neglected many areas, taken thumping ward majorities for granted. It's no secret and should be seen as a big problem of itself, regardless of UKIP.
taffboy gwyrdd
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Is it ok to say some UKIP supporters might be racist now?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Actually the point here was who Krtek had spoken to, but I have talked to plenty of supporters. I don't know if thats more or less tha you or Krtek and it's not a competition. I find the reasons varied too, but migration stuff does tend come pretty high (more so in recent years, in the early years there was a lot more informed and genuine critique of the EU). There's also the ever odd sense that UKIP are seen as "anti establishment". Certainly Labour have neglected many areas, taken thumping ward majorities for granted. It's no secret and should be seen as a big problem of itself, regardless of UKIP.[/QUOTE]
Why do you think its odd that UKIP are seen as anti-establishment? Do you think its odd that the SNP are seen by some as anti-establishment too?
Nobody said it wasn't ok. What people are saying is that we're fucking bored to tears of you and krtek and dwyer repeating the same old shit, again and again. If we were in a pub and you kept repeating the same sentence over and over and over, eventually someone would lose it and punch you. Why do you think its ok on this thread?
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
It's pretty simple.
We're at a point where something like 16-17% of the electorate (at least, it may be more now) are saying they will vote UKIP. If this amount of people are motivated to this primarily by racism (or more crudely because they are racist) then we are long past the point where drawing attention to this racism is of any use in combatting it.
However, simply looking at the sharp rise in UKIPs vote during by elections suggests that there is a large element of conscious, tactical protest voting amongst their support. It seems idiotic to ignore this and remain merely drawing attention to those UKIP voters who may be motivated by racism.
We're at a point where something like 16-17% of the electorate (at least, it may be more now) are saying they will vote UKIP. If this amount of people are motivated to this primarily by racism (or more crudely because they are racist) then we are long past the point where drawing attention to this racism is of any use in combatting it.
However, simply looking at the sharp rise in UKIPs vote during by elections suggests that there is a large element of conscious, tactical protest voting amongst their support. It seems idiotic to ignore this and remain merely drawing attention to those UKIP voters who may be motivated by racism.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Is it OK to say some Tory/LibDem/Labour/SNP/Plaid/Green supporters might be racist?
Is it relevant/useful/productive to focus on that to the exclusion of more or less everything else?
krtek a houby
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Ah, the thinly veiled threat of violence in order to shut down any and all dissent.
This country has become so racist it's taken for granted now. Fucking hell.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bang on time again.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
How is 'any and all dissent' being shut down? And what does your second sentence have to do with your first one?
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krtek a houby
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Yes, you are. Almost as if you waiting, ready to pounce. Here's an idea; instead of clogging up the threads with your tedious little vendetta against me - why not pm me, instead? Or do you prefer an audience to showcase your ego, you tedious old fraud?
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