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Ukip - why are they gaining support?

Some sense from UKIP? I feel faint.

Voters in rural England are turning to the UK Independence Party because it is the only party that has woken up to the threat to the countryside from developers, the outgoing head of the National Trust has said.

Of course, they can say anything as they're not going to be put to the test.
 
One eyed refers to kret's appreciation that UKIP voters have one reason for voting UKIP; i.e. they are being racist. I'm pointing out that this singular explanation lacks depth perception (and carries with it potential risks), in a way which is analogous with having one eye; which is a physical fact. Swivel eyed loons is a bit more of a pejorative, value judgement.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

I didnt see kret say there was one reason for voting ukip, racism. Could someone dig it out? It would be a daft thing to say.
 
I didnt see kret say there was one reason for voting ukip, racism. Could someone dig it out? It would be a daft thing to say.
Indeed not, I'm certain there are a myriad of different reasons why people are voting for them. In my experience, however, I haven't conversed with anyone who has much more to say than "foreigners/immigration/swamped etc etc".

In my experience.
 
Thanks for the clarification, looks like words may have been put in your mouth to condemn you with. I suppose its no more common a practice here than elsewhere in cyberspace.
 
I didnt see kret say there was one reason for voting ukip, racism. Could someone dig it out? It would be a daft thing to say.

Kret:

Thing is, being an ordinary drone, me - I talk to people (outside of the internet) and any UKIP supporter I've talked to isn't too pushed about the NHS, maternity leave, etc. It always, in my experience, is about immigration, "coloureds" (I kid you not) and jobs for "English people".
Their words not mine.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
[QU"Louis MacNeice, post: 13514711, member: 5126"]Kret:

Thing is, being an ordinary drone, me - I talk to people (outside of the internet) and any UKIP supporter I've talked to isn't too pushed about the NHS, maternity leave, etc. It always, in my experience, is about immigration, "coloureds" (I kid you not) and jobs for "English people".
Their words not mine.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice[/QUOTE]

Any hes talked to. His experience.
 
Kret:

Thing is, being an ordinary drone, me - I talk to people (outside of the internet) and any UKIP supporter I've talked to isn't too pushed about the NHS, maternity leave, etc. It always, in my experience, is about immigration, "coloureds" (I kid you not) and jobs for "English people".
Their words not mine.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice


In my experience. I've yet to meet an UKIP supporter who is concerned about the NHS, maternity leave, minimum wage, big business, corruption and similar issues. I'm not saying there isn't, mind.
 
[/QUOTE]Any hes talked to. His experience.[/QUOTE]

Followed up by this heavily ironic post:

Ok, let's go for a variety of approaches, then. Which, I imagine, would require me taking on board the idea that not all UKIP supporters are swivel eyed loons.
I concede that. I'm sure there are wonderful people intending to vote for UKIP and help usher in a new age of honesty, decency and prosperity in politics and British life in general.
Is that more like it?​

Do you think he meant that he was really 'taking on board the idea that not all UKIP supporters are swivel eyed loons' (i.e. the always racist UKIP supporters he was on about only minutes before)?

If you're right I'm glad he's taking a more thoughful look at UKIP.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
The most spectacular far-right victories in May’s elections were, of course, in Britain and France, during which the French Front National positioned itself to the left of the Socialist party on public ownership, Ukip turned to left-behind Labour voters, and both parties – of course – rejected any notion of universal European values.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/05/25-years-on-berlin-wall-far-right

The esteemed left wing playwright David Edgar compares UKIP to the French FN and describes them as 'far right', not sure about this, again it will just get voters backs up, those who read the article anyway.
 
The esteemed left wing playwright David Edgar compares UKIP to the French FN and describes them as 'far right', not sure about this, again it will just get voters backs up, those who read the article anyway.

More evidence suggesting that the "left/right" metaphor is dangerously misleading in the modern world.
 
[QU"Louis MacNeice, post: 13514711, member: 5126"]Kret:

Thing is, being an ordinary drone, me - I talk to people (outside of the internet) and any UKIP supporter I've talked to isn't too pushed about the NHS, maternity leave, etc. It always, in my experience, is about immigration, "coloureds" (I kid you not) and jobs for "English people".
Their words not mine.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Any hes talked to. His experience.[/QUOTE]

I promise you I've talked to a lot more UKIP voters than you have. And the reasons are very, very different.

One of my favourites was "Yeah, I know UKIP are just posh tory bastards but so are Labour so what does it matter?".
 
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Any hes talked to. His experience.

I promise you I've talked to a lot more UKIP voters than you have. And the reasons are very, very different.

One of my favourites was "Yeah, I know UKIP are just posh tory bastards but so are Labour so what does it matter?".[/QUOTE]

Actually the point here was who Krtek had spoken to, but I have talked to plenty of supporters. I don't know if thats more or less tha you or Krtek and it's not a competition. I find the reasons varied too, but migration stuff does tend come pretty high (more so in recent years, in the early years there was a lot more informed and genuine critique of the EU). There's also the ever odd sense that UKIP are seen as "anti establishment". Certainly Labour have neglected many areas, taken thumping ward majorities for granted. It's no secret and should be seen as a big problem of itself, regardless of UKIP.
 
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I promise you I've talked to a lot more UKIP voters than you have. And the reasons are very, very different.

One of my favourites was "Yeah, I know UKIP are just posh tory bastards but so are Labour so what does it matter?".

Actually the point here was who Krtek had spoken to, but I have talked to plenty of supporters. I don't know if thats more or less tha you or Krtek and it's not a competition. I find the reasons varied too, but migration stuff does tend come pretty high (more so in recent years, in the early years there was a lot more informed and genuine critique of the EU). There's also the ever odd sense that UKIP are seen as "anti establishment". Certainly Labour have neglected many areas, taken thumping ward majorities for granted. It's no secret and should be seen as a big problem of itself, regardless of UKIP.[/QUOTE]

Why do you think its odd that UKIP are seen as anti-establishment? Do you think its odd that the SNP are seen by some as anti-establishment too?


Is it ok to say some UKIP supporters might be racist now?

Nobody said it wasn't ok. What people are saying is that we're fucking bored to tears of you and krtek and dwyer repeating the same old shit, again and again. If we were in a pub and you kept repeating the same sentence over and over and over, eventually someone would lose it and punch you. Why do you think its ok on this thread?
 
It's pretty simple.

We're at a point where something like 16-17% of the electorate (at least, it may be more now) are saying they will vote UKIP. If this amount of people are motivated to this primarily by racism (or more crudely because they are racist) then we are long past the point where drawing attention to this racism is of any use in combatting it.

However, simply looking at the sharp rise in UKIPs vote during by elections suggests that there is a large element of conscious, tactical protest voting amongst their support. It seems idiotic to ignore this and remain merely drawing attention to those UKIP voters who may be motivated by racism.
 
Nobody said it wasn't ok. What people are saying is that we're fucking bored to tears of you and krtek and dwyer repeating the same old shit, again and again. If we were in a pub and you kept repeating the same sentence over and over and over, eventually someone would lose it and punch you. Why do you think its ok on this thread?

Ah, the thinly veiled threat of violence in order to shut down any and all dissent.

This country has become so racist it's taken for granted now. Fucking hell.
 
Ah, the thinly veiled threat of violence in order to shut down any and all dissent.

This country has become so racist it's taken for granted now. Fucking hell.

How is 'any and all dissent' being shut down? And what does your second sentence have to do with your first one?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
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