Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[brogdale]

neither do any of the other parties.

true enough, though none of the other party leaders are likely to declare that their last manifesto was 'drivel' written by an "idiot"

 

[killer b]

They'd probably go up several points if any of them did.

 

[brogdale]

They'd probably go up several points if any of them did.

 

[Nylock]

UKIP speak the language of ordinary native British people and so are despised by the gentrified rootless metropolitan political/media establishment and those who unquestioningly follow their cosmopolitan cultural agenda including the political mainstream parties both left and right because they too have become gentrified and rootless and, believing that they have risen above their cultural origins, now despise their own cultural roots and people.

I'm ordinary, I'm native (whatever the fuck that means) and UKIP say fuck-all to me. The only thing I despise is the likes of you spouting such baseless, divisive drivel.

The current mainstream progressive neo-liberal multicultural consensus promotes change which, like all change, favours some groups, principally the middle class and disfavours others, principally the native working class. The political mainstream both left and right is now monopolised by parties which cater almost exclusively to those middle class interests and which finds the complaints of those groups disfavoured by that change objectionable or "racist" and so choose not to speak for them but apparently find it equally objectionable and bewildering when those people choose to vote for a party which appears willing to speak for those interests.

Fuckin' nora...

 

[josef1878]

I've had my first General Election Junk Mail Today From Ukip. I Really Am The Last To Pull People Up On Their Punctuation but fuck me. A few things really stood out though, the things in CAPITAL LETTERS like 4 MILLION, 1 MILLION, EVERY WEEK, 29 MILLION Apparently the candidate Andrew Collinson had a successful career in IT, Sales and business management. I'm at a Crucial Turning Point for my future here. It's the legacy of Political Correctness. The stupid twat might do well to notice the existanceofaspacebartoo

 

[dilberto]

The language may not be eloquent or conversational but it is not simply assertion it is an analysis.

 

[Nylock]

is it fuck

 

[phildwyer]

It would be stranger if I literally was a cosmopolitan.

I literally did LOL at that. Now everyone is looking at me funny.

 

[Awesome Wells]

The fact that they have practically no policies also helps.

Their 'policies' are the supposed (or desired, from their point of view) effects of withdrawing from the EU and pulling up the proverbial drawbridge.

Ths includes a lot of insidious shit like pandering to nimbyists entirely and getting rid of things like wind farms.

 

[butchersapron]

Who knew? 78 pages in and finally we're getting somewhere.

 

[killer b]

Maybe we should concentrate on letting people know what they're really about? Expose their abhorrent policies and candidates?

 

[killer b]

 

[D'wards]

I kind of think they are like Freddy Krueger in that the more hatred and insults they get (in the media) the more powerful they become.
Hasn't hurt them so far has it?
The trouble is, we do naturally support the underdogs in the UK.

 

[frogwoman]

a few years ago some of the people trying to "expose" ukip were trying to promote ukip against the bnp. remember that stuff in searchlight etc from a few years back which specifically tried to promote ukip as an alternative to far-right nationalism?

 

[youngian]

UKIP speak the language of ordinary native British people and so are despised by the gentrified rootless metropolitan political/media establishment and those who unquestioningly follow their cosmopolitan cultural agenda including the political mainstream parties both left and right because they too have become gentrified and rootless and, believing that they have risen above their cultural origins, now despise their own cultural roots and people.

Don't get that, it all sounds very theoretical. Could you give some examples of this massive cultural chasm that has appeared in our mono-lingual Western consumerist society? Are the metropolitan ponces watching too many BBC4 documentaries instead of the X Factor?

 

[J Ed]

The fact that they have practically no policies also helps.

They are big on the hopey changey stuff

 

[8ball]

They are big on the hopey changey stuff

We had that with the Scottish referendum too - it's a popular ploy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

The language may not be eloquent or conversational but it is not simply assertion it is an analysis.

"Analysis" implies proceeding from data rather than opinion. You haven't.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I kind of think they are like Freddy Krueger in that the more hatred and insults they get (in the media) the more powerful they become.
Hasn't hurt them so far has it?

What "hasn't hurt them so far" are the inchoate "because UKIP" bullshit chucked around by the same bunch of twats who call UKIP fascists.
What has hurt them are some the instances where their councillors and candidates have proven to have a less-than-savoury political history.

The trouble is, we do naturally support the underdogs in the UK.

If that were true, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and the working class would be ascendant. The so-called "underdog" in this story is just another wealthy neoliberal cunt.

 

[youngian]

What Do Ukip Stand For? Jack from Welling on line twat explains all
http://audioboom.com/boos/2550913-w...en-s-takedown-of-this-supporter-is-effortless

 

[Nylock]

Fucking Hell

OTOH, it's hard to state what they stand for when they change their tune so often.... It must be like grabbing at fog if you're a UKIP supporter. The only things they have consistently banged on about is immigration and the EU; anything else is a constantly shifting miasma of half-commitments and policy 'ideas' without any actual concrete commitments to a position beyond their stated EU and immigration planks.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Fucking Hell

anything else is a constantly shifting miasma of half-commitments and policy 'ideas' without any actual concrete commitments to a position.

The Libdems were past masters at this. Just grab onto any half interesting sounding idea that's passing by.

One of UKIPs phoney libertarian clowns on FB is convinced that UKIP are committed to "direct democracy". The internal behaviour of NF is a give away of why we can have no confidence in that.

In other news, people who complained to the BBC disinfo network about leadership "debates" (dog and pony shows) have started to receive their automated responses. I couldn't be arsed reading, but imagine at least the subtext to be:

Dear mug...we knocked up this shite for a bot to spew out to you around the time the announcement was made. Our departments are riddled with people who have a festish for ukip. ukip ukip ukip. Also, ukip. Thanks awfully for your correspondence, now fuck off.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Maybe we should concentrate on letting people know what they're really about? Expose their abhorrent policies and candidates?

Why? Firstly - most people that vote for them know they're a bit racist, regardless of whether they consider themselves racist. Secondly, people aren't really voting for them because they think they're great but because they're convinced every other party is shit. Even if you convince them not to vote UKIP, all you've really done is convince them not to vote.

Without an alternative to vote for, you physically can't stop this process.

 

[killer b]

yeah, I was taking the piss.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Though I'm no cheerleader for The Labour Party, have you noticed that when Miliband is photographed looking daft it's cast iron evidence that he's useless and unfit to lead?

When NF is photographed looking daft it's cast iron evidence that he is a veritable bundle of charisma, and we are blessed beyond words to have him usher in an era of new politics.

 

[Dogsauce]

Why? Firstly - most people that vote for them know they're a bit racist, regardless of whether they consider themselves racist. Secondly, people aren't really voting for them because they think they're great but because they're convinced every other party is shit. Even if you convince them not to vote UKIP, all you've really done is convince them not to vote.

Without an alternative to vote for, you physically can't stop this process.

That's not the case for everybody that votes for them - there are plenty of disaffected tories who know exactly what UKIP are about and are quite happy with it. I know and am even related to some of them. Aside from the working class vote that seems to be the focus of much of this discussion, there is a fairly substantial voter base of better off older white folk, a socially conservative older generation who is quite comfortable but frankly doesn't like the fact some of their money is taken to be put in the mouths of less deserving types, some of whom (and probably much less than they think) didn't even have the decency to be born here. I've seen data on voting demographics which reflects this, although it is from earlier this year, and I suspect that they've broadened their appeal since then, but still, at that time that was the bulk of it.

All the media are doing by gnashing and wailing about the inroads the party is making into the working class vote is highlighting that this is a party that stands up for the working class in some way, unlike the others. Their major donor Paul Sykes (a former tory donor), who I suspect is as interested in derailing Labour as he is putting Nigel on the throne, must be grinning from ear to ear.

 

[dilberto]

The opinions expressed by UKIP which their critics find objectionable were until relatively recently commonly held and freely expressed among ordinary British people, what has changed apart from the loss of that freedom is the general population and its values have become gentrified.

What else is political correctness but a reflection of the gentrification of western populations and their increasing discomfort with the realities of biological and cultural survival.

 

[killer b]

jesus.

 

[inva]

The opinions expressed by UKIP which their critics find objectionable were until relatively recently commonly held and freely expressed among ordinary British people, what has changed apart from the loss of that freedom is the general population and its values have become gentrified.

What else is political correctness but a reflection of the gentrification of western populations and their increasing discomfort with the realities of biological and cultural survival.

weirdo

 

[Teaboy]

The opinions expressed by UKIP which their critics find objectionable were until relatively recently commonly held and freely expressed among ordinary British people, what has changed apart from the loss of that freedom is the general population and its values have become gentrified.

What else is political correctness but a reflection of the gentrification of western populations and their increasing discomfort with the realities of biological and cultural survival.

You're not ordinary and how dare you pretend to speak for me, you white supremacist fuck.