Ukip - why are they gaining support?

[nino_savatte]

He had his snout in the trough in the expenses scandal too didn't he?

Yes, he did.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...Ps-expenses-Austin-Mitchell-repays-10000.html

 

[Dogsauce]

From their website:

(...)
2. Immigrants must financially support themselves and their dependents for 5 years. This means private health insurance (except emergency medical care), private education and private housing - they should pay into the pot before they take out of it.
(...)
4. Proof of private health insurance must be a precondition for immigrants and tourists to enter the UK.

So a way of keeping the 'riff-raff' out and also a way of providing a greater market for the expansion of private healthcare. A tory wet dream.

Sooner or later that 'pay in before you get anything out' will be rolled out to the young too. Milliband will probably bring it in.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

"Only 39% confirm to traditional old class divisions" lol. In other words they are wrong to do so and do so despite the efforts of the political commentariat. Probably like salad cream better than mayonnaise as well.

When, oh when, will the working class do (stand on picket lines, buy our paper etc) and think (what we tell them to think on any given matter) what is best for them?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

When, oh when, will the working class do (stand on picket lines, buy our paper etc) and think (what we tell them to think on any given matter) what is best for them?

When they learn to listen to us properly comrade. For now the task of revolutionaires is one of edcuation; education so that the masses can understand our message. Only then will they fall in step with the march of progress.

 

[dilberto]

UKIP speak the language of ordinary native British people and so are despised by the gentrified rootless metropolitan political/media establishment and those who unquestioningly follow their cosmopolitan cultural agenda including the political mainstream parties both left and right because they too have become gentrified and rootless and, believing that they have risen above their cultural origins, now despise their own cultural roots and people.

The current mainstream progressive neo-liberal multicultural consensus promotes change which, like all change, favours some groups, principally the middle class and disfavours others, principally the native working class. The political mainstream both left and right is now monopolised by parties which cater almost exclusively to those middle class interests and which finds the complaints of those groups disfavoured by that change objectionable or "racist" and so choose not to speak for them but apparently find it equally objectionable and bewildering when those people choose to vote for a party which appears willing to speak for those interests.

 

[butchersapron]

UKIP speak the language of ordinary native British people and so are despised by the gentrified rootless metropolitan political/media establishment and those who unquestioningly follow their cosmopolitan cultural agenda including the political mainstream parties both left and right because they too have become gentrified and rootless and, believing that they have risen above their cultural origins, now despise their own cultural roots and people.

The current mainstream progressive neo-liberal multicultural consensus promotes change which, like all change, favours some groups, principally the middle class and disfavours others, principally the native working class. The political mainstream both left and right is now monopolised by parties which cater almost exclusively to those middle class interests and which finds the complaints of those groups disfavoured by that change objectionable or "racist" and so choose not to speak for them but apparently find it equally objectionable and bewildering when those people choose to vote for a party which appears willing to speak for those interests.

Always the jews with you lot isn't it?

 

[The Boy]

When they filmed tower block of commons - a program about Mps living in tower block in residents flat - he only agreed to do if if he could move himself and his wife (all the others had to do it individually) into a flat on his own with all mod cons installed - and one in an area he got to choose. He then spent the week getting drunk at official does and having his wife cook for him. Clueless clueless careerist scum coasting on that formerly huge labour majority for 35 years - one of the people and positions that has produced UKIP.

He wasn't the one who was shadowing the heroin addict, was he? Awful bastard, if so.

 

[butchersapron]

He wasn't the one who was shadowing the heroin addict, was he? Awful bastard, if so.

Can't really recall for sure, but i think that may have been Mark 'what's wrong with it - everyone does it' Oaten the lib-dem.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Was that a serious post from dilberto? I thought they were jumping on the parody band wagon.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[DotCommunist]

rootless cosmopolitans

 

[andysays]

UKIP speak the language of ordinary native British people and so are despised by the gentrified rootless metropolitan political/media establishment and those who unquestioningly follow their cosmopolitan cultural agenda including the political mainstream parties both left and right because they too have become gentrified and rootless and, believing that they have risen above their cultural origins, now despise their own cultural roots and people.

The current mainstream progressive neo-liberal multicultural consensus promotes change which, like all change, favours some groups, principally the middle class and disfavours others, principally the native working class. The political mainstream both left and right is now monopolised by parties which cater almost exclusively to those middle class interests and which finds the complaints of those groups disfavoured by that change objectionable or "racist" and so choose not to speak for them but apparently find it equally objectionable and bewildering when those people choose to vote for a party which appears willing to speak for those interests.

as my old mum used to say...

 

[The Boy]

Can't really recall for sure, but i think that may have been Mark 'what's wrong with it - everyone does it' Oaten the lib-dem.

Cheers. I would have gone back and watched it again, but they were all a shower of utter tossers. That Hague came across as the least contemptible says a lot about the others.

 

[nino_savatte]

UKIP speak the language of ordinary native British people and so are despised by the gentrified rootless metropolitan political/media establishment and those who unquestioningly follow their cosmopolitan cultural agenda including the political mainstream parties both left and right because they too have become gentrified and rootless and, believing that they have risen above their cultural origins, now despise their own cultural roots and people.

The current mainstream progressive neo-liberal multicultural consensus promotes change which, like all change, favours some groups, principally the middle class and disfavours others, principally the native working class. The political mainstream both left and right is now monopolised by parties which cater almost exclusively to those middle class interests and which finds the complaints of those groups disfavoured by that change objectionable or "racist" and so choose not to speak for them but apparently find it equally objectionable and bewildering when those people choose to vote for a party which appears willing to speak for those interests.

Hilarious.

 

[butchersapron]

UKIP speak the language of ordinary native British people and so are despised by the gentrified rootless metropolitan political/media establishment and those who unquestioningly follow their cosmopolitan cultural agenda including the political mainstream parties both left and right because they too have become gentrified and rootless and, believing that they have risen above their cultural origins, now despise their own cultural roots and people.

The current mainstream progressive neo-liberal multicultural consensus promotes change which, like all change, favours some groups, principally the middle class and disfavours others, principally the native working class. The political mainstream both left and right is now monopolised by parties which cater almost exclusively to those middle class interests and which finds the complaints of those groups disfavoured by that change objectionable or "racist" and so choose not to speak for them but apparently find it equally objectionable and bewildering when those people choose to vote for a party which appears willing to speak for those interests.

And here's just the boy to tell us about the ordinary language of the man in the street...

 

[ViolentPanda]

UKIP speak the language of ordinary native British people and so are despised by the gentrified rootless metropolitan political/media establishment and those who unquestioningly follow their cosmopolitan cultural agenda including the political mainstream parties both left and right because they too have become gentrified and rootless and, believing that they have risen above their cultural origins, now despise their own cultural roots and people.

That's quite the most pathetic piece of shite I've seen written by you, and you've written quite a lot of shite.
UKIP don't speak for me or mine. They don't speak for the people on the council estate I live on, or for the rural poor. They speak for capital, and shape their message to appeal to elements of the electorate, just like the other major parties do. That's all.

The current mainstream progressive neo-liberal multicultural consensus promotes change which, like all change, favours some groups, principally the middle class and disfavours others, principally the native working class. The political mainstream both left and right is now monopolised by parties which cater almost exclusively to those middle class interests and which finds the complaints of those groups disfavoured by that change objectionable or "racist" and so choose not to speak for them but apparently find it equally objectionable and bewildering when those people choose to vote for a party which appears willing to speak for those interests.

Wow, thanks for that startlingly-ancient piece of analysis. It might have had more punch had you made it 30 years ago, when it was first mooted.

 

[ViolentPanda]

rootless cosmopolitans

It's always down to us. Wherever we go, we drag everything down, with our alien ways, and our evil "tolerance".

 

[J Ed]

Rootless but no soulless

 

[chilango]

I literally am a rootless cosmopolitan

 

[tim]

the gentrified rootless metropolitan political/media establishment and those who unquestioningly follow their cosmopolitan cultural agenda including the political mainstream parties both left and right because they too have become gentrified and rootless and, believing that they have risen above their cultural origins, now despise their own cultural roots and people.
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So you blame the Jews, do you?

 

[The39thStep]

So a way of keeping the 'riff-raff' out and also a way of providing a greater market for the expansion of private healthcare. A tory wet dream.

Sooner or later that 'pay in before you get anything out' will be rolled out to the young too. Milliband will probably bring it in.

No it's a way , arguably, about reducing the cost to the NHS. More importantly it appeals to those who feel that those adults who have not contributed should not get the same level of service as those who have contributed . People who I know ( and obviously this is anecdotal rather than anything else) who think like this wouldn't dream of supporting anything that would apply like that that would apply to children or young people .

UKIP simply counter re privatisation that it was labour that started privatisation.

I think arguments with working class UKIP supporters are quite complex and need more of a response than they are just Tories.

 

[phildwyer]

I literally am a rootless cosmopolitan

It would be strange if you literally had roots.

 

[phildwyer]

I think arguments with working class UKIP supporters are quite complex

Complex they certainly are. Rational they are not.

There´s no rational reason to oppose immigration. There are many, extremely complex, irrational reasons for doing so.

 

[The39thStep]

Complex they certainly are. Rational they are not.

There´s no rational reason to oppose immigration. There are many, extremely complex, irrational reasons for doing so.

Lol

 

[xenon]

Proffs vs plebs.

 

[chilango]

It would be strange if you literally had roots.

It would be stranger if I literally was a cosmopolitan.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

It would be stranger if I literally was a cosmopolitan.

Magazines don't hav roots except maybe in dental surgeries

 

[murphy1970]

One of UKIP's main strengths is that they have little to no internal democracy or accountability. Obviously, this isn't a good thing per se, but it allows Farage a free hand to make up policy on the hoof and clutch at whatever straw happens to be passing at the time.
When trying to combat UKIP the left have a natural disadvantage & that is that their core populist rubbish holds little or no appeal to most on the left. If you struggle to understand why folk want to scapegoat immigrants, welfare scroungers or the EU commission, then it is difficult to formulate an argument against it.

 

[8ball]

One of UKIP's main strengths is that they have little to no internal democracy or accountability. Obviously, this isn't a good thing per se, but it allows Farage a free hand to make up policy on the hoof and clutch at whatever straw happens to be passing at the time.

The fact that they have practically no policies also helps.

 

[killer b]

neither do any of the other parties.

 

[8ball]

neither do any of the other parties.

I don't know about rigorous costing or anything, but they definitely seem to have been coming out with things at their conferences that are more focused than UKIP's ramblings.