UK Votes to Leave EU
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Steel Icarus
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How exactly is Farage going to ensure any money at all is spent on the NHS?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
weltweit
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Steel Icarus
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That's my point.
Not fuckface but twatface.
mauvais
on reddit or something
I was going to say that next we can unilaterally reject the weather, or gravity. But no, he has it covered
Thanks, Larry Elliot! Decisions will keep the wolf from the door.
Steel Icarus
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Which fuckface did you mean?
Anju
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I don't get the blackmail bit. Britain is a pretty successful country and a lot of people believe that success is at least in part down to EU membership. Would Nissan be providing jobs in Sunderland if we were not in the EU is one question and we also need to ask if they will continue to do so if we don't agree to EU terms to gain access to the single market. Pointing out things like this is not blackmail.
2hats
Dust.
I would suggest it is more like we have rolled up to the sports pitch determined to play football, only to find everyone else on the field is playing rugby.
gosub
~#
FFS I responded to that before the referendum
mauvais
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Decisions were made to play rugby in the past.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Which rather fucks people like Gove and other politicians because they're supposed to be experts of a sort. Bet Gove can barely use the Internet and relies on experts all the fucking time
The idea that most of the 'experts' who were pointing out things like that were neutral observers, just saying it like it is is pretty transparent. They were for the most part actors, with a stake and a say in what happens next.
What's happening now isn't some sort of natural reaction, the market isn't a force of nature. What's happening now is a punishment. It's happening because they are doing what they said they would do if we didn't do what they said. The definition of blackmail.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
A better argument is a two minute chat with the average politician
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Tbh his entire life is evidence he was a twat.
Anju
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I wasn't quoting any experts. My gut feeling was remain but I looked things up for myself. Britain makes a big deal out of car manufacturers choosing to operate here. If you look up facts and figures you discover that over half of the cars we make are exported to the EU. We have had £3.5 billion of EU funding for R&D for the motor industry from the EU.
I also looked at how funding was allocated and it all seemed pretty sensible.
Even the leave campaign admitted that there would initially be some negative effects on the economy. The markets may not be a force of nature but neither are they driven by hard facts, they react to events and perceived impacts of those events. If this was how I made my money I would be looking to protect myself from the event that is brexit by backing away from UK investment, whether I was pro in or pro out. In any case I believe the markets are too large and complex to be manipulated in this way as it would need the collision of a lot of people, who would have to be prepared to lose a lot of money.
I can see how certain parts of the media might be accused of blackmail but that was both sides of the so called debate.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
I'm finding it difficult to keep track of.. well, anything really, so sorry if this has already been posted, but I think this is a brilliant article by Lisa McKenzie
EU referendum: many don’t care what happens next, they just wanted change
EU referendum: many don’t care what happens next, they just wanted change
mauvais
on reddit or something
Car manufacturing is thoroughly global, but take pretty much any competitive mass produced car, in particular ones from companies HQ'd outside the EU - Hyundai/Kia etc. They're almost all assembled somewhere in the EU, presumably because of tariffs. Then conversely, Euro manufacturers struggle to break into for example the Chinese and even American markets - see e.g. VW in the US. If the UK doesn't arrange free trade, then why wouldn't all of those relocate immediately? That's not blackmail at any coherent level beyond the 'blackmail of global capital', that's pragmatism.
Within the EU, why some chose to set up in Britain was actually closer to bribery, but that ceases to be the dominant factor if we dramatically change our relationship with the bloc.
I've got a feeling it has been posted before but I think everyone's lost track tbh
it is a good piece, I've really enjoyed hearing what she's got to say about the whole issue
Bromance
andysays
Love and solidarity
Interesting to hear from someone who actually took park.
They gave three stereotypical options from each side and then pretend that the results mean something. So much for fucking "experts"
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
There's some musing here about whether Britain will ever trigger article 50 and how the EU will play it if we don't. I think it's wrong and that somebody is going to have to trigger the fucking thing, whether it be Cameron or Johnson. However it's another indication of how mad things have got since Thursday - along with the tories split and labour in meltdown.
Will article 50 ever be triggered?
Will article 50 ever be triggered?
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