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Tottenham Hotspur 2011-2012 Official Thread

laughable that a team who haven't won a proper trophy since 1991 would field a second team in the Europa League.

Not really though is it. The team we're sending are more than capable of winning the tie so there's no problem.

I'd rather beat Liverpool on Sunday and concentrate on the EPL for a Champions League place again next year.
 
I'd say the Thursday TV Cup is problematic, esp. if viewed from England and/or the Prem League, but probably not generally. And the CL - devalued?

laughable that a team who haven't won a proper trophy since 1991 would field a second team in the Europa League.
I agree with everything in this post, except the factual inaccuracies.
 
Im liking PAOK, more and more!

PAOK famously beat Arsenal in the first round of the UEFA Cup in the 1997-98 season. They won 1-0 at home before snatching a 1-1 draw at Highbury and a 2-1 aggregate win thanks to a goal from Zisis Vryzas three minutes from time.
 
I'd say the Thursday TV Cup is problematic, esp. if viewed from England and/or the Prem League, but probably not generally. And the CL - devalued?

Yes. Devalued.

Chelsea (amongst others) don't sell out their ground for CL ties. Man Utd put out a second team to play the runaway Portuguese league winners. Once you're in the group stages then the pressure's off if you're Man Utd or Chelsea or whoever. UEFA have focussed on getting loads of games for max profits but some of the group games are little more than exhibitions. Chelsea got 8,000 more supporters to watch them play West Brom than against Bayer Leverkusen.

Sure it gets exciting later on, and I'm sure it's very good for the smaller teams, they probably enjoy it loads, but it's a bloated, boring parody of what it used to be.
 
Yes. Devalued.

Chelsea (amongst others) don't sell out their ground for CL ties. Man Utd put out a second team to play the runaway Portuguese league winners. Once you're in the group stages then the pressure's off if you're Man Utd or Chelsea or whoever. UEFA have focussed on getting loads of games for max profits but some of the group games are little more than exhibitions. Chelsea got 8,000 more supporters to watch them play West Brom than against Bayer Leverkusen.

Sure it gets exciting later on, and I'm sure it's very good for the smaller teams, they probably enjoy it loads, but it's a bloated, boring parody of what it used to be.
But that's about the quality of the opposition in the early stages. That type of match is obv a big story and usually a sell out for the opposition; it's their game of the season. The tournament is obv. about quite a lot more than satisfying Prem leagues crowds and English tv viewers.
 
Yes. Devalued.

Chelsea (amongst others) don't sell out their ground for CL ties. Man Utd put out a second team to play the runaway Portuguese league winners. Once you're in the group stages then the pressure's off if you're Man Utd or Chelsea or whoever. UEFA have focussed on getting loads of games for max profits but some of the group games are little more than exhibitions. Chelsea got 8,000 more supporters to watch them play West Brom than against Bayer Leverkusen.

Sure it gets exciting later on, and I'm sure it's very good for the smaller teams, they probably enjoy it loads, but it's a bloated, boring parody of what it used to be.

No one's making you watch it.
 
Not really though is it. The team we're sending are more than capable of winning the tie so there's no problem.

I'd rather beat Liverpool on Sunday and concentrate on the EPL for a Champions League place again next year.

Better the outside chance of finishing 4th, so you've an outside chance of just about making the knockout stages of the CL the year after, than the actual experience of winning something. I hate modern football.
 
Better the outside chance of finishing 4th, so you've an outside chance of just about making the knockout stages of the CL the year after, than the actual experience of winning something. I hate modern football.

I do understand what you're saying but the Europey cup is now so devalued its seen akin to the Carling cup is in England (by a lot of people including you according to your post No.689).

I liked it when we were in the CL, we did really well in our debut season and I'd like another crack at it, along with the ability to attract the players who demand to play in it.
 
I do understand what you're saying but the Europey cup is now so devalued its seen akin to the Carling cup is in England (by a lot of people including you according to your post No.689).

I liked it when we were in the CL, we did really well in our debut season and I'd like another crack at it, along with the ability to attract the players who demand to play in it.
I was in Madrid when Atleti won it. Certainly didn't feel devalued that night, and Atleti are as big a club as Spurs. Personally, the day that Ipswich won the play-off final, and the day I saw Rayo Vallecano promoted were the two best I've had in football. The Sky machine is so dedicated to telling you that happiness is watching your lot play Real Madrid or seeing people like Van der Vaart, but I don't think it's true.
 
But that's about the quality of the opposition in the early stages. That type of match is obv a big story and usually a sell out for the opposition; it's their game of the season. The tournament is obv. about quite a lot more than satisfying Prem leagues crowds and English tv viewers.

It is about the quality of the opposition but that is determined by the nature of the competition. It's expanded so much that they have to include teams to make the numbers up. And that is done because they want more games and, hence, more revenue. It destroys 50% of the games as any kind of spectacle and means that the big teams have no pressure on them because the group stages are little more than a procession.

Make it knockout and then at least the minnows (and obviously I'm including you lot in that) have a chance of a meaningful upset rather than a "oh look we've beaten chelsea's third team 1-0 but are still going to go out cos we have to do that 6 times to have any chance of progressing."
 
1826: Tottenham have got six players aged 21 or younger in their starting line-up tonight, but they do not look over-awed by PAOK so far. A very solid opening 25 minutes for Spurs, who have had the best chance of the night too. Still 0-0.
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They did alright, although Carlo had to save the day a couple of times. Livermore was MoM IMO. Townsend looked to be a very good prospect.
 
We've got 4 top centre mids at the club; there'll be times when we need a 5th & i'd have no hesitation putting Livermore out against anyone.

Gio wasn't great but at least he put a shift in; if he wants to get another go in and around the first team attitude is everything and he looked like he cared.
 
They did alright, although Carlo had to save the day a couple of times. Livermore was MoM IMO. Townsend looked to be a very good prospect.
says everything about Roy Keane's management that we had Townsend on loan at Ipswich, and he got recalled because he wouldn't give him a game. Yeah, fans hate flying wingers Roy, why not stick sodding Grant Leadbitter out there, much better. Fucking dick.
 
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Dear oh dear...... :facepalm: :D
 
He's still going to be a fucking legend, even if he starts sporting pigtails and a Dora the Explorer hair-grip.
 
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