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Tottenham Hotspur 2011-2012 Official Thread

Well now that the silly season is behind us, what are our chances?

I think we'll do well to make top 6 tbh.
 
Just come across a very helpful thread on another board: putting the case for Tottenham (the club and the area) with some effect:

But more generally there is a very good case for a public subsidy of the Northumberland Development Project.

For a start, government has always provided funds and breaks of various kinds in order to pump-prime private business in deprived areas and in difficult economic circumstances. There are few areas more deprived than Tottenham, particularly after the riots, and few times that are more economically uncertain than our own. That's why we've applied for Regional Growth Fund monies, for example.

Contrast this with the Emirates and Highbury, prime London real estate within a stone's throw of the City, and financed in boom-time Britain. If, for reasons of place and time, the Emirates should not have been subsidised, the very same reasons mean that the NDP should receive public help.

But also contrast Spurs and the NDP with West Ham and Stratford.

West Ham are given land free of charge (allowing them to profit fully from development of the Boleyn) and are provided with a lavish, publicly-funded transport infrastructure (the DLR, the tube, buses, High Speed 1, etc.), relief of S.106 requirements and some money to adapt the stadium. Not only that but the remaining financing is organised by Newham on the highly preferential terms available to public projects. It all amounts to a substantial public subsidy.

Meanwhile look at poor old Tottenham, one of the most deprived and physically shabby areas in the country, starved over a number of decades of public investment, and now seriously damaged by riots. Not only has there been no offer of public money for a major regeneration initiative, Spurs are having to fork out for improvements in transport infrastructure and other obligations.

And it's not as if Spurs is a big property development company that, as a matter of principle, should give some of its profits back to the local community. For a start, it's already strongly embedded in the local community through the Foundation (recognised as the biggest and best of its kind in the country), donating funds to help with the local problems. We've also offered to invest in a free school. Hardly a fly-by-night developer making a hit-and-run profit.

Furthermore, Spurs is a football business that is barely profitable, doesn't normally pay dividends and has owners who have put money into the club rather than take it out. Good football businesses are like that because they are also sporting clubs.

So S.106 obligations and the relationship to public subsidy must surely be looked at in a different light.

If the decades of underinvestment in the Tottenham area wasn't bad enough, when the effects of the financial crisis worked their way through to the NDP, the authorities were indifferent. Indeed the Mayor's Office invited Spurs to bid for the Olympic Stadium and grab a chance of benefiting from the big public subsidies on offer. In effect, by inviting Spurs to leave N17, the Mayor (along with central government) were saying 'we're not interested in Tottenham'.

Of course it was just a ruse to give the semblance of a competitive bid. Assurances that removing the running track would not adversely affect the bid turned out to be empty. The Mayor's Office was prepared to use the future of a deprived area like Tottenham, as well as the efforts and reputation of a fine football club, as the means to the end of a political game with West Ham and Newham. Spurs were never going to win. They were mugged.

But this whole exercise in manipulative political gamesmanship by the Mayor's Office exposed the stark choices for Spurs and N17. Either we were offered a public subsidy to move to Stratford, or we had to move away from Tottenham in search of a more financeable project because no public support was available. Either way the locality of Tottenham would lose out. An area let down by successive administrations, starved of public money, overlooked when it came to regeneration initiatives, would suffer yet again.

Then Spurs decided to make a nuisance of themselves over the deceptions of the Mayor's Office and the OPLC.

But if Boris thought his silly-bugger politics might escape the scrutiny of a judicial review, the Tottenham riots cornered him. As long as the Stratford legal process dwelt on the public subsidies to Stratford, they would highlight both the serial neglect of Tottenham and the shafting of the most important local business in its attempts to lead a regeneration project.

The rationale for a public subsidy of the NDP is now inescapable. Though gooner grumbling will never be stopped, making the case to a wider public should be easy.
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=549397&page=150

RE: "S.106 obligations":
Planning obligations (or 's106 agreements') are private agreements negotiated, usually in the context of planning applications, between local planning authorities and persons with an interest in a piece of land, and intended to make acceptable development which would otherwise be unacceptable in planning terms. Obligations can also be secured through unilateral undertakings by developers.
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As best I understand, "make acceptable" usually means an acceptable percentage of public housing is included in the deal.
 
dunno only got our line up on our site. ours was about as strong as we have baring people out on loan and people that were in the reserve squad/ youth internationals(not sure if there were any games on but i know there were a few names missing) etc.

dave
 
3rd Sep? Can't find a line up on our site. The academy are very under-reported on at Spurs, although this may be a deliberate thing I suppose.
 
the only part of parker that can get injured is his ankle the rest is fountain dunked immunity.

Parker = titan

I never get why bosses come out with we tried to sign so and so but they turned us down. I don't go into a bar and start going you see that girl over there, i asked her out and she called me an ugly northerner with no sense of style. Weird.

dave(isn't norther)
 
he is a monumental fucking dickhead. but they do have form over you. yous lot not having points yet and their good start will make it a interesting contest. draw imo.
 
On the basis of that game, I'm not too dissatisfied with our transfer window now!

I admit that I'm very surprised by Ade's close control whilst under pressure in the middle of the park. I knew he was a good, strong striker with good technique, but there were times today when his close control looked better than Modric or VDV's.
 
Obv. no question about either Parker or Adebayor in terms of top 4 ability, the only issue for me with Adebayor is consistency - gets comfortable or lazy in the head. It'll be interesting to see if 'arry gets into him.

Steven Caulker's had a good September so far; full 90 mins with England U21s and a decent performance yesterday at the Death Star for Swansea. I wonder if our central defensive options might, this time next year, look something like; Cahill, Kaboul, Dawson, Gallas and Caulker.

Tottenham off to Greece now for the Thursday TV Trophy, Liverpool early doors on Sunday and then back for the Kids Cup at Stoke on Tues week.

I suppose the good thing about the Thursday Trophy is it means you gets 2 matches on telly; that game, and the Prem game switched to Sunday.
 
London_Calling said:
I suppose the good thing about the Thursday Trophy is it means you gets 2 matches on telly; that game, and the Prem game switched to Sunday.
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They don't televise the Europa league team's Sunday games if they weren't going to be shown anyway. They just move them to Sunday. Otherwise there'd be loads of Stoke games on as well and although it's entertaining to hear people whine about them I'm not sure Sky would be too keen.
 
Man Utd played a second team in the Champs League last night.

West Ham got more supporters at their ground for the game against Portsmouth than half of Tuesday night's Champions' League games.

UEFA / FIFA have completely devalued the competitions by chasing neverending money streams and removing any pressure on teams to win games.
 
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