Tory MP David Amess Stabbed to Death 15/10/21

[TopCat]

It doesn't seem too secure - I found this on Google (using WixXP and Firefox)
[Search domain elearning.prevent.homeoffice.gov.uk] https://www.elearning.prevent.homeoffice.gov.uk › edu › screen1.html

Looks like one could take a 45 minute training, if you are connected to the Charitable/Voluntary Sector - no questions asked. Can anyone say what a "duty" is? This sounds like Metropolitan Police speak to me.

"This offers an introduction to the Prevent duty, and explains how it aims to safeguard vulnerable people from being radicalised to supporting terrorism or becoming terrorists themselves.

A link to the prevent duty guidance is available at the end of this e-Learning.

This is introductory training. It will provide an important foundation on which to develop further knowledge around the risks of radicalisation and the role that you can play in supporting those at risk.

This training addresses all forms of terrorism and non-violent extremism, including far right wing and Islamist extremism threatening the UK.

This e-learning has been developed by HM Government following consultation with a range of individuals and organisations. It has benefitted from the feedback of teachers, local authority officials, community-based groups, youth workers and many others.

Links to further information can be found at the end of this training."

Be interesting to know if some favoured consultants got paid £Xty thousand for "developing" this.

The first video says Prevent is an extension of Safeguarding. To complete the course I'm ging to have to sweitch to a better device, and perhaps anyway it is not for me to critique an online prevent/safegarding course.

It does raise two civil liberties/bullying issues to me though.

1. The C of E has recently come in for criticism about driving an innocent 78 year old priest to suicide through application of safeguarding principles where apparently one of the priest's colleagues simply thought he was a wrong-un with no complaint ever having been made: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57780729

2. Thinking back to when I was a teenager, if I had been hauled up by the headmaster for exploring Islamic texts, I imagine it would have reinforced me in wanting to do more of it.

I look forward to completing more of the Prevent course....

The prevent duty applies to a whole host of public sector workers. Teachers, social workers etc. They HAVE to grass you up if you look like a wrong un.

 

[two sheds]

I look forward to half of urban political forum posters being referred to Prevent for something or other

 

[CH1]

The prevent duty applies to a whole host of public sector workers. Teachers, social workers etc. They HAVE to grass you up if you look like a wrong un.

I'm not surprised. I saw a stand up row between Frank Furedi and a social worker on this at Conway Hall a few years back.

Frank Furedi says: Children being asked "Has anything happened at home that we should know about" - it's like the Stasi getting children to inform on their parents disobedience to The Party etc etc

Social Worker: "If we don't ask children what's happening at home, how can we catch the abusers?"

 

[The39thStep]

It doesn't seem too secure - I found this on Google (using WixXP and Firefox)
[Search domain elearning.prevent.homeoffice.gov.uk] https://www.elearning.prevent.homeoffice.gov.uk › edu › screen1.html

Looks like one could take a 45 minute training, if you are connected to the Charitable/Voluntary Sector - no questions asked. Can anyone say what a "duty" is? This sounds like Metropolitan Police speak to me.

"This offers an introduction to the Prevent duty, and explains how it aims to safeguard vulnerable people from being radicalised to supporting terrorism or becoming terrorists themselves.

A link to the prevent duty guidance is available at the end of this e-Learning.

This is introductory training. It will provide an important foundation on which to develop further knowledge around the risks of radicalisation and the role that you can play in supporting those at risk.

This training addresses all forms of terrorism and non-violent extremism, including far right wing and Islamist extremism threatening the UK.

This e-learning has been developed by HM Government following consultation with a range of individuals and organisations. It has benefitted from the feedback of teachers, local authority officials, community-based groups, youth workers and many others.

Links to further information can be found at the end of this training."

Be interesting to know if some favoured consultants got paid £Xty thousand for "developing" this.

The first video says Prevent is an extension of Safeguarding. To complete the course I'm ging to have to sweitch to a better device, and perhaps anyway it is not for me to critique an online prevent/safegarding course.

It does raise two civil liberties/bullying issues to me though.

1. The C of E has recently come in for criticism about driving an innocent 78 year old priest to suicide through application of safeguarding principles where apparently one of the priest's colleagues simply thought he was a wrong-un with no complaint ever having been made: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57780729

2. Thinking back to when I was a teenager, if I had been hauled up by the headmaster for exploring Islamic texts, I imagine it would have reinforced me in wanting to do more of it.

I look forward to completing more of the Prevent course....

The majority of referrals to Prevent are white far right and studying Islamic texts , or any religious texts, isnt part of any criteria for referral.

 

[maomao]

The majority of referrals to Prevent are white far right and studying Islamic texts , or any religious texts, isnt part of any criteria for referral.

The last prevent thing I had they'd added incels.

 

[platinumsage]

I look forward to half of urban political forum posters being referred to Prevent for something or other

Prevent doesn't cater for armchair anarchists and marxists because they're all mouth and no trousers.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Mental health records are going to become (even more) fair game for ‘preventing violence’.

Medical professionals are already under obligations to report if they think their patient is a danger to themselves or others, so I don't see what more can or should be done in that respect?

 

[CH1]

If it turns out that Ali Harbi Ali had some form of paranoid schizophrenia will the powers that be provide for quicker more effective treatments - eg reduce the one year waiting times in SLAM for Paranoia CBT?

 

[brogdale]

Prevent doesn't cater for armchair anarchists and marxists because they're all mouth and no trousers.

Was gonna like that cos it's funny...but I thought it best left to form a useful list of the no mouth, all trouser contingent.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I see that its all online anonymity's fault.

Was unaware that David had been stabbed by a particularly vicious tweet.

 

[Ax^]

in Patel world view calling a tory mp scum onlne

should have SOC19 kicking down your door 5 minutes after you hit enter

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

I see that its all online anonymity's fault.

Was unaware that David had been stabbed by a particularly vicious tweet.

I thought burn injuries were more common in such circumstances.

 

[chilango]

You don't think that

alienation under late capitalism etc.

plays a major role in producing

another middle class wannabe, another Islamo-fascist crank after all.

Really?

You're going along with Spymaster and the line of "that's Muslims for ya!"

 

[elbows]

nah he is clearly muslim and his da is from Somalia even work for their governement

Worked for a previous president, not a fan of the current one, as mentioned earlier when I brought up Qatar.

 

[Spymaster]

You're going along with Spymaster and the line of "that's Muslims for ya!"

Idiot.

 

[platinumsage]

Why are people saying he's middle class? Is it the suburb that his family's council flat is located in, or the fact his dad once had a white collar job?

 

[chilango]

Anyway as this place is likely to resemble the comments section of the Daily Mail for a while, I think I"ll take a break for a few days.

 

[eatmorecheese]

It doesn't seem too secure - I found this on Google (using WixXP and Firefox)
[Search domain elearning.prevent.homeoffice.gov.uk] https://www.elearning.prevent.homeoffice.gov.uk › edu › screen1.html

Looks like one could take a 45 minute training, if you are connected to the Charitable/Voluntary Sector - no questions asked. Can anyone say what a "duty" is? This sounds like Metropolitan Police speak to me.

"This offers an introduction to the Prevent duty, and explains how it aims to safeguard vulnerable people from being radicalised to supporting terrorism or becoming terrorists themselves.

A link to the prevent duty guidance is available at the end of this e-Learning.

This is introductory training. It will provide an important foundation on which to develop further knowledge around the risks of radicalisation and the role that you can play in supporting those at risk.

This training addresses all forms of terrorism and non-violent extremism, including far right wing and Islamist extremism threatening the UK.

This e-learning has been developed by HM Government following consultation with a range of individuals and organisations. It has benefitted from the feedback of teachers, local authority officials, community-based groups, youth workers and many others.

Links to further information can be found at the end of this training."

Be interesting to know if some favoured consultants got paid £Xty thousand for "developing" this.

The first video says Prevent is an extension of Safeguarding. To complete the course I'm ging to have to sweitch to a better device, and perhaps anyway it is not for me to critique an online prevent/safegarding course.

It does raise two civil liberties/bullying issues to me though.

1. The C of E has recently come in for criticism about driving an innocent 78 year old priest to suicide through application of safeguarding principles where apparently one of the priest's colleagues simply thought he was a wrong-un with no complaint ever having been made: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57780729

2. Thinking back to when I was a teenager, if I had been hauled up by the headmaster for exploring Islamic texts, I imagine it would have reinforced me in wanting to do more of it.

I look forward to completing more of the Prevent course....

I think I did the hour long Prevent session a few years ago while working for a Local Authority. I understand the supposed purpose, but I remember being very underwhelmed with the middle aged white British nerd providing the training and his own seeming lack of insight.

I only remember one exchange with the training provider, which went something like this:

Trainer: "How do we think radicalised people recruit and radicalise others?"

Me: "Offer a narrative of a idealised past, compare it to a degraded present and offer a revolutionary alternative".

Trainer: "Oh, so you've studied this a bit, then?"

I gave up at that point.

 

[bimble]

Why the hell are people (priti Patel , a thousand twats on Twitter) going on about getting rid of anonymity online in connection to this stabbing , what’s the link?

 

[Spymaster]

Why the hell are people (priti Patel , a thousand twats on Twitter) going on about getting rid of anonymity online in connection to this stabbing , what’s the link?

The idea is that online anonymity enables hatred, harassment, and incitement. It's not entirely without merit. Jack Straw and David Lammy were banging on about it last night, but it's tentative as far as connecting to this is concerned.

 

[Ax^]

not entirely without merit?

if you don't mind living in a state controlled hellish dystopia

 

[bimble]

The idea is that online anonymity enables hatred, harassment, and incitement. It's not entirely without merit. Jack Straw and David Lammy were banging on about it last night, but it's tentative as far as connecting to this is concerned.

Extremely tentative like wtf are they doing.

 

[Spymaster]

Extremely tentative like wtf are they doing.

I think it's come about as a result of MPs complaining about being trolled/stalked online.

 

[tim]

Is Canada so bereft of problems that their citizens need to vent their political spleens in the UK? Either way, I’m glad they learned a new word.

Why don't you fuck the fuck off?

 

[nogojones]

Spanner is Bungle73 innit

Oh.. I do hope so. If we start poking them with split tickets they might pop.

 

[xenon]

You don't think that



plays a major role in producing



Really?

You're going along with Spymaster and the line of "that's Muslims for ya!"

Come on, this is piss poor.

As is this.

Anyway as this place is likely to resemble the comments section of the Daily Mail for a while, I think I"ll take a break for a few days.

 

[Ax^]

Extremely tentative like wtf are they doing.

more than likely fuck all but make noise

last time it was suggest targeting fines for facebook, twitter and such they soon dropped the idea

just one of Patel latest bullshit line to further promote herself

 

[xenon]

Why the hell are people (priti Patel , a thousand twats on Twitter) going on about getting rid of anonymity online in connection to this stabbing , what’s the link?

Because Priti Patel is a bit dim but possessed of an authoritarian mindset that would love to extend such powers. And a section of the public love that sort of thing. Clamp down on that lot, lock those people up, hell in a handcart.

 

[Ax^]

I'm still waiting for Patel to offer up Fabulous prizes for becoming a Government informer

 

[Pickman's model]

Why the hell are people (priti Patel , a thousand twats on Twitter) going on about getting rid of anonymity online in connection to this stabbing , what’s the link?

Never let a murder go to waste obvs