Tory MP David Amess Stabbed to Death 15/10/21

[Spanner]

First time I saw the term surgery, I thought he was a doctor or something.

A quick google says it is an office.

Odd term.

Odd that someone in the UK’s most self-important political forum wouldn’t understand the word “surgery” as used by practically every MP in the country.

 

[Orang Utan]

Odd that someone in the UK’s most self-important political forum wouldn’t understand the word “surgery” as used by practically every MP in the country.

They are Canadian, so I understandably not familiar with the UK use of the word

 

[two sheds]

is 'surgery' universally used in Canada too?

 

[Spanner]

Oh I do

Well don’t keep me in suspense all night

 

[Spanner]

They are Canadian, so I understandably not familiar with the UK use of the word

Is Canada so bereft of problems that their citizens need to vent their political spleens in the UK? Either way, I’m glad they learned a new word.

 

[Orang Utan]

Is Canada so bereft of problems that their citizens need to vent their political spleens in the UK? Either way, I’m glad they learned a new word.

Pompous tool

 

[A380]

"Prevent" truly isn't very good is it?

I don’t know the numbers, but from open source I suspect in any given year high tens to perhaps low hundreds of thousand of people are referred to it and engaged and we seem to have an attack every 18 months or so. Seems a tiny percentage to me. What would good look like to you? One attack per million referrals ? What are the success rates of similar de radicalisation programmes ( far right and so called Islamic) in other countries? Are they even smaller, do they approach say one attack per million? why are they better and what could we learn? What’s your personal estimate of the counterfactual? If we didn’t have prevent would there be less or more attacks and if more how many?

 

[Spanner]

Pompous tool

Oh get over yourself. If someone wants to engage in UK-centric conversation, they ought to either already know the lingo or expect to be taught it by a native.

 

[Humberto]

Oh get over yourself. If someone wants to engage in UK-centric conversation, they ought to either already know the lingo or expect to be taught it by a native.

Stating the rules now is it?

 

[A380]

Is Canada so bereft of problems that their citizens need to vent their political spleens in the UK? Either way, I’m glad they learned a new word.

Light or dark Maple syrup eh?

 

[PR1Berske]

I don’t know the numbers, but from open source I suspect in any given year high tens to perhaps low hundreds of thousand of people are referred to it and engaged and we seem to have an attack every 18 months or so. Seems a tiny percentage to me. What would good look like to you? One attack per million referrals ? What are the success rates of similar de radicalisation programmes ( far right and so called Islamic) in other countries? Are they even smaller, do they approve say one attack per million? why are they better and what could we learn? What’s your personal estimate of the counterfactual? If we didn’t have prevent would there be less or more attacks and if more how many?

Thanks for this, I didn't know the numbers so maybe I need to address my initial thought. From my own understanding, "Prevent" has not always been effective, but I'm happy to learn more.

 

[Orang Utan]

Oh get over yourself. If someone wants to engage in UK-centric conversation, they ought to either already know the lingo or expect to be taught it by a native.

Keep licking those batteries

 

[Spanner]

Stating the rules now is it?

Stating my opinion, innit.

 

[Spanner]

Keep licking those batteries

Is that supposed to be an insult? Jesus.

 

[Orang Utan]

Is that supposed to be an insult? Jesus.

It’s an instruction.

 

[Spanner]

It’s an instruction.

Why would you issue an instruction on a forum supposedly dedicated to individual rights?

 

[A380]

Thanks for this, I didn't know the numbers so maybe I need to address my initial thought. From my own understanding, "Prevent" has not always been effective, but I'm happy to learn more.

I’m absolutely sure it’s not perfect. But what would you set as your target for ‘good’?

 

[Wilf]

Oh get over yourself. If someone wants to engage in UK-centric conversation, they ought to either already know the lingo or expect to be taught it by a native.

I'm guessing you've used that logic elsewhere.

 

[A380]

Why would you issue an instruction on a forum supposedly dedicated to individual rights?

What forum is that one?

This one’s dedicated to cats, petty arguments and the cheese/beans debate. Have you confused this place with Mumsnet?

 

[Orang Utan]

Why would you issue an instruction on a forum supposedly dedicated to individual rights?

Because I want you to lick a battery

 

[A380]

Because I want you to lick a battery

Consumer 1.5v dry cell, automotive 12v or submarine propulsion?

 

[Orang Utan]

Consumer 1.5v dry cell, automotive 12v or submarine propulsion?

whatever dissolves the tool the quickest

 

[PR1Berske]

I’m absolutely sure it’s not perfect. But what would you set as your target for ‘good’?

I don't know the answer to that. I'll row back from my original post, I didn't know the numbers and I don't want to dig myself deeper!

If this man is a former "Prevent" case, maybe I shouldn't be thinking in terms of numbers so much as terms of outcomes and monitoring. Nothing is perfect, nothing is fool proof. But what about the scheme changes after something like this murder?

 

[spring-peeper]

Odd that someone in the UK’s most self-important political forum wouldn’t understand the word “surgery” as used by practically every MP in the country.

Odd that you would think that a Canadian would know all your terms.

Odd that you would think that a Canadian would want to get involved with your most important UK forum.

Just look at the mess last night....nope, just dropped in to watch the coverage of a British story...stayed and watched the squabbling.

 

[spring-peeper]

is 'surgery' universally used in Canada too?

As a medical term.

We use constituent office for political offices.

I gleaned that you use surgery for mobile offices.
Did I understand the word correctly????

 

[spring-peeper]

Light or dark Maple syrup eh?

Always go for the light - first sap of the season and so, so sweet.

(We make maple syrup)

 

[spring-peeper]

Is Canada so bereft of problems that their citizens need to vent their political spleens in the UK? Either way, I’m glad they learned a new word.

Don't remember offering any opinions/theories on this thread.

Just here to learn.

 

[little_legs]

Did I understand the word correctly????

Look man, an MP had a surgery, he ended up dying due to complications, ok?

 

[spring-peeper]

Oh get over yourself. If someone wants to engage in UK-centric conversation, they ought to either already know the lingo or expect to be taught it by a native.

Please send me the test to see if I'm qualified to contribute to your most important UK forum.

 

[Orang Utan]

Spanner is Bungle73 innit