Tory MP David Amess Stabbed to Death 15/10/21
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scifisam
feck! arse! girls! drink!
I met David Amess a couple of times at least as a kid - one time at least at church (I'm not Catholic, but by Dad is) and at least once at a count, plus one other time he came to my school where he had to be quickly shephered in and out because despite there being a lot of Tories in the area their kids tended not to be the type to like pompous MPS.
He was not actually well known for helping constituents. Some Tory MPs are but he's not one of them. Him being dead doesn't change that.
So I've been aware of him for a fair while. He shouldn't have died this way, because it's horrific. Sudden violent deaths always leave scars on those left behind. And it will be bad for anyone interested in social justice and fair access to their members of parliament.
If MPs become more scared after this, like some did after Jo Cox was killed, it's understandable. Funnily enough I was scheduled to go on a tour of the HoP on Friday and when we get to the gate they said they weren't doing tours "out of respect." I think it was probably more wise security precautions, TBH. Though they'd better give me my money back.
The BBC had a hagiography of Amess on sometime on Friday evening. It mentioned that he loved Thatcher, that he was an animal welfare champion, and that he was active when it came to helping women with endometriosis.
All that is true. But he was also extremely anti-immigrant, homophobic, against anything that helped poor people in general, and I strongly suspect that even his endometriosis stance was mainly due to his opinions about abortion.
And he was proud of his views and votes when it came to abortion, immigration, welfare and homosexuality. Omitting those from his biography was to make him seem nicer to the general public, but he would definitely have been happy to have them included. He was a very religious true believer. If his religion weren't Christianity, we'd probably call him a fanatic.
I regret that he died in this way but I'm not crying for him.
No, it's not necessarily mobile, it can be a permanent building owned or rented by the local constituency party.
But it's not surprising you didn't know the meaning of the word in this specific context. Spanner is just a troll.
He was not actually well known for helping constituents. Some Tory MPs are but he's not one of them. Him being dead doesn't change that.
So I've been aware of him for a fair while. He shouldn't have died this way, because it's horrific. Sudden violent deaths always leave scars on those left behind. And it will be bad for anyone interested in social justice and fair access to their members of parliament.
If MPs become more scared after this, like some did after Jo Cox was killed, it's understandable. Funnily enough I was scheduled to go on a tour of the HoP on Friday and when we get to the gate they said they weren't doing tours "out of respect." I think it was probably more wise security precautions, TBH. Though they'd better give me my money back.
The BBC had a hagiography of Amess on sometime on Friday evening. It mentioned that he loved Thatcher, that he was an animal welfare champion, and that he was active when it came to helping women with endometriosis.
All that is true. But he was also extremely anti-immigrant, homophobic, against anything that helped poor people in general, and I strongly suspect that even his endometriosis stance was mainly due to his opinions about abortion.
And he was proud of his views and votes when it came to abortion, immigration, welfare and homosexuality. Omitting those from his biography was to make him seem nicer to the general public, but he would definitely have been happy to have them included. He was a very religious true believer. If his religion weren't Christianity, we'd probably call him a fanatic.
I regret that he died in this way but I'm not crying for him.
No, it's not necessarily mobile, it can be a permanent building owned or rented by the local constituency party.
But it's not surprising you didn't know the meaning of the word in this specific context. Spanner is just a troll.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
In the UK, we use "surgery" for a doctor's consulting room. So, by extension it's also used for a politician's consulting room.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Some of us made reference to Amess and Qatar earlier in the thread. WIll be able to make all sorts of messy, imprecise and disjointed further comments on that front now. Because al-Shabab is being mentioned in the press in relation to the attacker. And Qatar has 'complicated' relations with groups like that. And Qatar is heavily involved in Somalia and the current government regime there. And the attackers father seems to have worked for a previous president in Somalia, is not a fan of the current regime, and posted this on twitter earlier this month:
Please dont take this post as any sort of attempt to construct a credible theory out of these various fragments. It would be far too easy to join all the wrong dots and to do a silly dance with red herrings, and many of the subject areas involved are opaque at the best of times. And I dont have a lifesized cardboard Robert Anton Wilson clutching a volume of Cosmic Trigger.
The apparent family background of the attacker also means the likes of the Mail can wank on about leafy suburbs and homes worth 2 million quid.
Please dont take this post as any sort of attempt to construct a credible theory out of these various fragments. It would be far too easy to join all the wrong dots and to do a silly dance with red herrings, and many of the subject areas involved are opaque at the best of times. And I dont have a lifesized cardboard Robert Anton Wilson clutching a volume of Cosmic Trigger.
The apparent family background of the attacker also means the likes of the Mail can wank on about leafy suburbs and homes worth 2 million quid.
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RileyOBlimey
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If he didn’t want to get stabbed he should have flagged down a bus.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Tabloids have done their digging, he lived in Keir Starmer‘s constituency near to Giles Coren, and his dad is surprised he was arrested. I wonder what his connection was to Southend or Amess.
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maomao
普費斯
Are you suggesting he did it because he's a remainer?
No
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
As in "If you can't speak the language, fuck off back to your own country"?
You fucking mutt.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
The test is seeing how long it takes to work out this place is full of weird people.
I need to check, but II think you may have just broken the Canadian record. Congratulations!
Please stay, we don’t have that many people from Canada. Helps balance the Shermans Eh?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
During your time here you've shown quite astonishing ignorance - when you tumbled down the stupid tree it must have knocked all the knowledge out of your head too
maomao
普費斯
Don't think so, Bungle was a cunt from Kent, Spanner's a tool from Essex.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
Another one here for "don't go" spring-peeper, I enjoy your posts.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Stay and be weird with us
ruffneck23
front left
Please stay spring-peeper
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I don't see the Bungle comparison at all tbh. Spanner seems to have just reached chapter 2 of 'Bog Standard Internet WUMery for Dummies,' Bungle's weird train regs rage was something else altogether.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Bungle did have some redeeming features tho and spammer doesn't
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
And end once and for all the speculation of some on here about cuts, ‘closed off routes of protest’, alienation under late capitalism etc.
Turn out it was another middle class wannabe, another Islamo-fascist crank after all.
gosub
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Amir condoles death of British MP David Amess
His Highness the Amir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani on Friday condoled the death of British MP Sir David Amess. In a tweet, Sheikh Tamim said: 'We are deeply saddened by the...
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, hindsight does tend to render (some) speculation inaccurate but, if your take is an accurate representation of the murderer's motives, are you suggesting that UK politicians have no responsibility for the creation of "this....world [that] turn[ed] on one of its masters."?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Seems Cox has defended his decision to write for the sun 'because of who reads it'. Meaning he's entirely aware of exactly what kind of hatemongering shitrag it is and still took their money.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
It doesn't seem too secure - I found this on Google (using WixXP and Firefox)
[Search domain elearning.prevent.homeoffice.gov.uk] https://www.elearning.prevent.homeoffice.gov.uk › edu › screen1.html
Looks like one could take a 45 minute training, if you are connected to the Charitable/Voluntary Sector - no questions asked. Can anyone say what a "duty" is? This sounds like Metropolitan Police speak to me.
"This offers an introduction to the Prevent duty, and explains how it aims to safeguard vulnerable people from being radicalised to supporting terrorism or becoming terrorists themselves.
A link to the prevent duty guidance is available at the end of this e-Learning.
This is introductory training. It will provide an important foundation on which to develop further knowledge around the risks of radicalisation and the role that you can play in supporting those at risk.
This training addresses all forms of terrorism and non-violent extremism, including far right wing and Islamist extremism threatening the UK.
This e-learning has been developed by HM Government following consultation with a range of individuals and organisations. It has benefitted from the feedback of teachers, local authority officials, community-based groups, youth workers and many others.
Links to further information can be found at the end of this training."
Be interesting to know if some favoured consultants got paid £Xty thousand for "developing" this.
The first video says Prevent is an extension of Safeguarding. To complete the course I'm ging to have to sweitch to a better device, and perhaps anyway it is not for me to critique an online prevent/safegarding course.
It does raise two civil liberties/bullying issues to me though.
1. The C of E has recently come in for criticism about driving an innocent 78 year old priest to suicide through application of safeguarding principles where apparently one of the priest's colleagues simply thought he was a wrong-un with no complaint ever having been made: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57780729
2. Thinking back to when I was a teenager, if I had been hauled up by the headmaster for exploring Islamic texts, I imagine it would have reinforced me in wanting to do more of it.
I look forward to completing more of the Prevent course....
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