Which of Truss and Sunak were from the "left" of the party? Or was Sunak classed as "centrist" somehow?
Tory leadership contest 2024
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
more "on speaking terms with reality" vs "completely fucking hatstand".
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
I'll spell it out for the hard of thinking then.
The "one nation" brand of vaguely centre-right Tory is dead. Kaput, bereft of life, ceased to be. Like the Labour left, it's only sitting up because it's nailed to the perch.
Far right Conservatives, far right Reform. Badenoch or Jenrick, there's barely a fag paper between any of them. Labour in power (with their own numbers tanking because they're openly and nakedly bent as a 9 bob note while offering absolutely nothing positive of note) gives them a common enemy.
Tories 24%
Reform 14%
Plus a healthy sprinkling of returning 'borrowed votes' from the "get these Tories out after 14 failed years" crew with short memories.
45%+ far right votes, dwarfing Labour's numbers. And a common enemy means an alliance - formal or informal, spoken or unspoken, however it happens - and if those 45%+ are distributed for maximum effect and a minimum of split vote constituencies, then it spells bloodbath for Labour.
Do I think Badenoch or Jenrick will last the full 5 years? Absolutely not, they don't go from the current shitshow to united front in 5 minutes. But it's another step in the right direction as far as they're concerned.
Kid_Eternity you might as well be walking around with a Farage For PM badge on for all the good you're doing.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Think of the zoo's animals
maomao
普費斯
I'm sure the tigers would be very happy to have a tory or two for tea.Think of the zoo's animals
Serene
Slightly disgruntled
If it comes to it and not so much money is raised, they can always share rooms with the Tigers.Think of the zoo's animals
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
With Labour down to 30% of the vote (not even the electorate!) anyone could win the next election. Once the two party system is fucked, anything can happen. A far right take over if the tories could well mean they take enough of the reform vote to win the next election, even if on 35% of the vote. Assuming it means their death is both imbecilic and fucking dangerous. Such arrogance leaves me dreading a victory for fascism. Those who don’t see that are fucking dangerous, imbeciles who will walk us into an ultra racist, bigoted, takeover.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
The only thing Cleverly is a threat to is himself. He’s a lazy, incompetent clown. His politics died in 2015 but he (most of the political class and you) just haven’t noticed.
Starmer’s wretched politics and smug indifference to the condition of the class his party was founded from is only leading to one place….
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Well, that's done it for me, I'll never be voting for them again.
< for those that think I was being serious.
< for those that think I was being serious.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
There was some polling guy on the tele last night showing the relatively tiny shift it’d need for Tory/Reform/other to wipe out the Labour majority at the next GE.
It’s entirely possible given the narrowness of the margin of victory in hundreds of seats.
Rompipalle
“Mad as hell & I’m not going to take this anymore”
They're both utterly appalling.
Jenrick is just your typical Tory blob, straight off the production line, whereas Badenoch is a truly and uniquely awful person.
Normally I would be all in favour of a woman from a minority ethnic background attaining a position of high office on merit but I genuinely do believe that Kemi Badenoch is one of those people who will applaud herself for her achievements and will probably never stop banging on about how well she has done... but who would quite happily put measures in place to ensure that others like her never manage to surpass her.
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Rompipalle
“Mad as hell & I’m not going to take this anymore”
You and me both then!Well, that's done it for me, I'll never be voting for them again.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I dunno. Jenrick was as performatively cruel as Braverman was when he was immigration minister. Lest us forget:
Robert Jenrick has cartoon murals painted over at children’s asylum centre | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian
Paintings were considered too welcoming at Kent centre for lone children arriving in UK
Rompipalle
“Mad as hell & I’m not going to take this anymore”
Yes, but what I meant is that he looks and behaves like a generic Tory male, who clearly hasn't got a sensible, progressive or constructive idea in his head.I dunno. Jenrick was as performatively cruel as Braverman was when he was immigration minister. Lest us forget:
Robert Jenrick has cartoon murals painted over at children’s asylum centre | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian
Paintings were considered too welcoming at Kent centre for lone children arriving in UKamp.theguardian.com
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Not true, he was the opposition leader Labour feared.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Hahaha! One poll 4.5 years out….hahaha!
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
You’re an idiot if you think that.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Which ever gets chosen the same outcome remains: the Tories have entered their Corbyn years. The most likely outcome is the new leader not lasting longer than 18 months. And they’ll be lucky to make it that far.
The LibDems must be loving this too. The Tories have idiotically decided Reform are a bigger threat to them and getting that vote back is a hop skip and a jump back to power.
That negates the reality of the party composition, their inability to be effective and just how ruthlessly effective both the LibDems and Labour are now.
It also negates the fact that the government runs the table and that’s were the media focus will always prioritise.
The Tories aren’t in utter denial about the state they’re in and why they lost, JC would have given them a glimmer of hope (I don’t write off him coming back in the next leadership election at all) and they’ve rejected that for navel gazing, batshit right wing politics and zero policy offering.
This against a backdrop where Labour is about to embark on its legislative agenda, making laws, changing how this country operates. If that pays off the idiotic Tory leadership won’t have an answer.
The LibDems must be loving this too. The Tories have idiotically decided Reform are a bigger threat to them and getting that vote back is a hop skip and a jump back to power.
That negates the reality of the party composition, their inability to be effective and just how ruthlessly effective both the LibDems and Labour are now.
It also negates the fact that the government runs the table and that’s were the media focus will always prioritise.
The Tories aren’t in utter denial about the state they’re in and why they lost, JC would have given them a glimmer of hope (I don’t write off him coming back in the next leadership election at all) and they’ve rejected that for navel gazing, batshit right wing politics and zero policy offering.
This against a backdrop where Labour is about to embark on its legislative agenda, making laws, changing how this country operates. If that pays off the idiotic Tory leadership won’t have an answer.
Boo Radley75
Well-Known Member
Well, at least this time, thank fuck neither of them will be Prime Minister, with all the powers that entails!
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
This truly is the most hilarious outcome, proper literal LOL stuff. What an absolute bunch of fucking idiots!
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Right??
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
I'd say it's more that Labour (by which I mean Starmer et al, and YOU) are in utter denial about why they won.
They won on a 100% platform of not being the 14 year Tories. Which they've followed up in the space of 3 short months by... doing what the Tories did. Whether you agree or not, the prevailing narrative is more of the same, on the take, look after them and their own.
I repeat - a far right Conservative party moves a step closer to "uniting the right" in opposition to a Labour party with foundations built on sand. Badenoch vs Jenrick is not good news.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
It's like you don't want to see the truth in front of your eyes.This truly is the most hilarious outcome, proper literal LOL stuff. What an absolute bunch of fucking idiots!
Remember when everybody was convinced that the BNP was finished? Griffin got an MEP seat out of it.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
the bellendwether of U75...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Well as both options are equally horrible I can at least continue to have no emotional investment in this contest whatsoever. Even if I wanted the worst possible candidate to win so as to do maximum damage to the tory party (I don't think it works like that, realistically they've already hit electoral rock bottom and have nowhere to go but up) I have no idea who the 'worst candidate' would be.
