Tory leadership contest 2024

[emanymton]

Braverman seems quite bad at the getting allies on side part of a leadership bid. I think that's what will do for her not the right wing loon thing.

I think the 2 things could be connected.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I think the 2 things could be connected.

You think being a right wing loon is an obstacle to making allies in the Tory party?

 

[emanymton]

You think being a right wing loon is an obstacle to making allies in the Tory party?

I think her particular type of loon tends to have a hard time working with and getting along with others.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

I think her particular type of loon tends to have a hard time working with and getting along with others.

Well I don't think they'll have any problem finding a right wing loon to put up (and they elected Liz Truss). I guess then you're into a 'types of loon' debate though which probably isn't a great route to set off down.

 

[marty21]

Knowing the Tory party, whoever they elect this time may not still be leader by the time of the next GE anyway.

It's called "doing an IDS".

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the extremely lucky IDS threw his hat into the ring.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

No, it's the fact that the MPs don't want her, and according to the polls nor do the membership, the campaign rules don't even come into it.

I suspect they’ll play a bigger role than we think…and the membership aren’t to be trusted to not be batshit.

 

[mrfusion]

Hunt keeps failing upwards, maybe they’ll let him have a go.

 

[quiet guy]

Hunt keeps failing upwards, maybe they’ll let him have a go.

Where's Gavin Williamson when you need a failure to promote beyond his capabilities?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Another good read on why Braverman's Trump style ranting and raving is turning people against her, and how every time she opens her mouth she loses more support.

The putative Tory leadership contender raised more than one eyebrow with her speech that called for the Conservatives to walk in the footsteps of Reform UK. She lambasted the “lunatic woke virus” (whatever that is) and spoke of her disgust at the pro-LGBT Progress flag flying above buildings “as if they were occupied territory”.

Braverman ranted about identity politics, particularly the trans rights movement and its impact on gender identity with younger people. But the most damaging thing about Braverman’s caustic rhetoric is that it distracts from legitimate concerns.

It’s therefore no surprise that Braverman’s leadership pitch is now foundering. Robert Jenrick, once a close ally, has been oddly dismissed by her as “from the Left of the party”. As one former leading supporter of her 2022 leadership bid puts it, “every time she opens her mouth I lose 1,000 votes”. With Sir John Hayes and Danny Kruger – two of the most robust socially conservative Tories – abandoning her campaign, there’s no doubt she has gone too far by going too Trumpian.

These other potential Tory leaders recognise that tone and style matters as much as the substance. Importing an aggressive American-style approach, at best, makes people laugh at the problem and allows the speakers to be dismissed as cranks. At worst, it actively hinders the cause and narrows the window of acceptable wide debate.

The British right is facing at least least five years in opposition and it must win these crucial arguments. Screaming wildly into the void is only going to make that go on longer. It doesn’t have to be this way. As Frank Luntz put it some years ago, “be thankful that you don’t have our poison”.

Suella Braverman has been infected with the venom of US rhetoric

Importing an aggressive American-style approach will leave the British right trapped in the wilderness

inews.co.uk

 

[gosub]

Knowing the Tory party, whoever they elect this time may not still be leader by the time of the next GE anyway.

And if there is to be another tory government...the next tory PM isn't in Parliament yet

 

[Pickman's model]

And if there is to be another tory government...the next tory PM isn't in Parliament yet

Have you ever heard of ramsay macdonald?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Have you ever heard of ramsay macdonald?

i don't think he's going to get elected tory leader...

 

[Pickman's model]

i don't think he's going to get elected tory leader...

Yet he presides over a tory government

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Hunt keeps failing upwards, maybe they’ll let him have a go.

He’s ruled himself out, his majority is too slim to make him viable…

 

[moochedit]

Yet he presides over a tory government

I thought Biden was old

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Interesting…could Cleverly be the everyman bridge between the factions?

James Cleverly leads race to replace Rishi Sunak, poll suggests — The Times and The Sunday Times

The former home secretary James Cleverly is the early favourite among voters to replace Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives, polling for The Times suggests. The YouGov survey found little enthusiasm for any of the candidates and none had so-called net positive ratings. But among the front...

apple.news

 

[cupid_stunt]

Interesting…could Cleverly be the everyman bridge between the factions?

James Cleverly leads race to replace Rishi Sunak, poll suggests — The Times and The Sunday Times

The former home secretary James Cleverly is the early favourite among voters to replace Rishi Sunak as leader of the Conservatives, polling for The Times suggests. The YouGov survey found little enthusiasm for any of the candidates and none had so-called net positive ratings. But among the front...

apple.news

He's always been a possible, as they need someone to appeal to both wings of the party, so not one of the real headbangers.

What's interesting about that poll is how different Tory voters are, compared to the membership, and the MPs will be more interested in who appeals to their voters, rather than the bonkers membership.

Paywall busted link - https://archive.ph/wEFK0

 

[nino_savatte]

By hook or by crook, they'll make a safe seat available for the Slovenly One (Boris Johnson).

 

[cupid_stunt]

By hook or by crook, they'll make a safe seat available for the Slovenly One (Boris Johnson).

I doubt that, he's well and truly burnt his bridges, plenty of the membership don't want him back, and even more of their voters.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

There's no such thing as a safe seat to drop Johnson into. Quite apart from it being a ridiculous idea anyway, he's as widely despised as he is adored by weird people - it wouldn't be a candidate election, it would be a referendum on whether to finish Johnson off forever more & very few seats were returning 50%+ Tory.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's no such thing as a safe seat to drop Johnson into.

Au contraire. There are many constituencies into which to safely drop Johnson. Some of the Scottish seats contain large areas of low population density, in the Highlands for example. Or parts of rural Wales. Ejecting him from a c-130, for example, over one of these areas would be without any real risk to people on the ground

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Au contraire. There are many constituencies into which to safely drop Johnson. Some of the Scottish seats contain large areas of low population density, in the Highlands for example. Or parts of rural Wales. Ejecting him from a c-130, for example, over one of these areas would be without any real risk to people on the ground

I suspect your definition of "safely drop" varies wildly from that of the Conservative party.

 

[Sue]

Au contraire. There are many constituencies into which to safely drop Johnson. Some of the Scottish seats contain large areas of low population density, in the Highlands for example.

And then his corpse devoured by marauding haggis.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

And then his corpse devoured by marauding haggis.

Is haggis the plural of haggis? If so I quite like that; I also quite like haggis.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[nino_savatte]

Au contraire. There are many constituencies into which to safely drop Johnson. Some of the Scottish seats contain large areas of low population density, in the Highlands for example. Or parts of rural Wales. Ejecting him from a c-130, for example, over one of these areas would be without any real risk to people on the ground

How about Rockall?

 

[Pickman's model]

How about Rockall?
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Hard to precisely determine his trajectory and he might miss

 

[Sue]

Is haggis the plural of haggis? If so I quite like that;

No idea. Haggises looked wrong!

I also quite like haggis.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Me too. Well the veggie ones anyway.

 

[strung out]

very few seats were returning 50%+ Tory.

A grand total of one in fact. Harrow East, represented by the new chair of the 1922 committee, Bob Blackman.

 

[Elpenor]

Au contraire. There are many constituencies into which to safely drop Johnson. Some of the Scottish seats contain large areas of low population density, in the Highlands for example. Or parts of rural Wales. Ejecting him from a c-130, for example, over one of these areas would be without any real risk to people on the ground

I would advocate dropping him into a seat which contains offshore islands, ideally midway between the mainland and the furthest island

 

[Jennaonthebeach]

Hard to precisely determine his trajectory and he might miss

Strap him to a disarmed Precision Strike Missile then.