Tory Leadership contest 2022

[Cat Fan]

Whoever wins is going to have a nice little filip, by the next election the Tory gerrymandering boundary changes will have grabbed them an extra 20 plus seats

You do know that the boundaries are set by the boundaries commission and they're based on population changes?

Due to demographic changes the South is becoming more Labour and the North more Conservative anyway so you never know what will happen.

And with Truss at the helm they will hopefully have a shocker of a campaign and lose anyway.

 

[krtek a houby]

We can all learn from each other if we keep an open mind and try to listen.

I don't appreciate your tone though.

Next time you feel like making an angry post attacking someone I suggest take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard for a bit instead. This isn't the right place for it.

Admitting you can learn from others is a good start

 

[Pickman's model]

We can all learn from each other if we keep an open mind and try to listen.

I don't appreciate your tone though.

Next time you feel like making an angry post attacking someone I suggest take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard for a bit instead. This isn't the right place for it.

Yes it is.

 

[krtek a houby]

That’s bully language. It might be acceptable in this forum, but it’s not outside. Ok?

Outside is overrated

 

[Pickman's model]

That’s bully language. It might be acceptable in this forum, but it’s not outside. Ok?

bully for you

 

[pesh]

 

[Cat Fan]

Lol ok. The internet is incredibly toxic and I'm ok with that otherwise I wouldn't be on here.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You do know that the boundaries are set by the boundaries commission and they're based on population changes?

Due to demographic changes the South is becoming more Labour and the North more Conservative anyway so you never know what will happen.

Ah yes, the boundaries commissions. Those independent public bodies whose members are appointed by ... the Cabinet Office.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Good to see these little ones developing their iron fists early on:

 

[Cat Fan]

Ah yes, the boundaries commissions. Those independent public bodies whose members are appointed by ... the Cabinet Office.

Civil servants have a code of neutrality and that extends to cabinet office as well. I have friends who work in the civil service.

Not sure why I'm bothering though, keep sipping the kool aid as you wish.

 

[krtek a houby]

I have lots of close friends and family who are LGBTQI+

I have friends who work in the civil service.

Friends are great for all occasions

 

[Pickman's model]

Funny how I wrote a post saying the left doesn't stick together enough and then a bunch of random people start hounding me for not being left enough for their tastes.

No offence intended chaps. I didn't want to misgender anyone either it was just a passing remark. I have lots of close friends and family who are LGBTQI+ and I'm always willing to learn to be more inclusive and welcoming

you should know the some of my best friends routine is no longer as effective as it was when first used

 

[Storm Fox]

Good to see these little ones developing their iron fists early on:

Thatcher went on to kids' TV and was made to look foolish. You would think Truss would have learnt from her role model not to do this.

 

[Cat Fan]

Friends are great for all occasions

What an insightful comment. If you have something interesting to say instead of just sniping away please don't keep us in suspense.

 

[prunus]

Thatcher went on to kids' TV and was made to look foolish. You would think Truss would have learnt from her role model not to do this.

No no, you miss the point - she's aping everything - there's no quality control. Clearly...

 

[belboid]

Civil servants have a code of neutrality and that extends to cabinet office as well. I have friends who work in the civil service.

Not sure why I'm bothering though, keep sipping the kool aid as you wish.

The code of neutrality is utterly irrelevant. The government set a policy designed to get more Tory seats by reducing the number in labour areas - cities tended to have fewer constituents in each seat compared to rural areas. Civil servants then follow that plan obligingly. They’re not to blame, but they do the governments dirty work for them.

 

[krtek a houby]

you should know the some of my best friends routine is no longer as effective as it was when first used

Bet he has friends who use the some of my best friends routine to great effect

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The problem with this is that, in the short term, rather like Biden in the US, you remove the Right from government. But a weak centrist government (Biden, Macron) is unlikely to succeed

Yes, I agree. In fact, I'd go further and say that every time the liberal elite temporarily take control their approach and policy priorities embolden and strengthen the opposition and normally drive even more working class voters towards any politics that rejects the Professional Middle Class and its worldview, smugness and it's conscious abandonment of the constituency it once professed some claim to speak for (or at least have some alliance with).

However, the Tories are moving in a particular direction socially, culturally and politically and the insurgent right ascendant. The best that can be hoped for at this point is some time to allow work to build unions and communities. Not a lot to be positive about I accept, but hoping for a Tory win as a trigger for better is barking mad (which is what the post I was replying to sugested).

 

[platinumsage]

The code of neutrality is utterly irrelevant. The government set a policy designed to get more Tory seats by reducing the number in labour areas - cities tended to have fewer constituents in each seat compared to rural areas. Civil servants then follow that plan obligingly. They’re not to blame, but they do the governments dirty work for them.

Are you suggesting that all governments should ensure that city constituencies have smaller electorates?

 

[Cat Fan]

The code of neutrality is utterly irrelevant. The government set a policy designed to get more Tory seats by reducing the number in labour areas - cities tended to have fewer constituents in each seat compared to rural areas. Civil servants then follow that plan obligingly. They’re not to blame, but they do the governments dirty work for them.

Isn't that just because the population in cities is growing more quickly so they need to balance the constituencies out? Same thing when they review ward boundaries.

 

[belboid]

Are you suggesting that all governments should ensure that city constituencies have smaller electorates?

It was an informal agreement for well over a century, from before Labour were even a thing. Mostly in recognition of the fact that cities brought more ‘issues’

But whether you agree with that or not, the point is that governments know how they want to fiddle the figures then civil servants go and do it

 

[belboid]

Isn't that just because the population in cities is growing more quickly so they need to balance the constituencies out? Same thing when they review ward boundaries.

No

 

[krtek a houby]

What an insightful comment. If you have something interesting to say instead of just sniping away please don't keep us in suspense.

voting for the greens will save the liberal establishment, not the planet

 

[Cat Fan]

voting for the greens will save the liberal establishment, not the planet

Ok who do you support?

 

[Cat Fan]

No

What are the rules that work against cities?

 

[steeplejack]

Next time you feel like making an angry post attacking someone I suggest take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard for a bit instead. This isn't the right place for it.

you're new round here, aren't you?

 

[belboid]

What are the rules that work against cities?

There aren’t ‘rules’ it’s just practise. Every single time there is a review it ends up benefitting the government of the day. Do you think that’s just a coincidence?

 

[Cat Fan]

There aren’t ‘rules’ it’s just practise. Every single time there is a review it ends up benefitting the government of the day. Do you think that’s just a coincidence?

Ok so you're basing your views on a bad feeling about civil servants being leaned on by the government, not on any facts, got you.

You may be right but the final recommendations haven't even been published yet so it seems premature to judge.

AFAIK they have pretty strict rules as to size of each constituency so not that much room to bend them.

 

[krtek a houby]

Ok who do you support?

Sinn Fein

 

[belboid]

Ok so you're basing your views on a bad feeling about civil servants being leaned on by the government, not on any facts, got you.

You may be right but the final recommendations haven't even been published yet so it seems premature to judge.

AFAIK they have pretty strict rules as to size of each constituency so not that much room to bend them.

It’s getting very difficult to remain polite with you when you are determined to read something completely different to what’s written.

There is no need to ‘lean on’ civil servants, they just frame the policy in such a way that there is practically no choice in what to do.

And you are wrong about the size of constituencies. The tories are bringing in a rule where they must be within 5% of each other (with a couple of special exceptions), up until now there has only been very loose guidance.