MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Wel that's pretty much a given tbh, the majority are also broadly in favour of cutting benefits they don't get as well.The majority are in favour of more taxes on people who aren't them, in poll shocker
Tory Leadership contest 2022
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krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
None of the aboveWhy on earth are you having such a go at the Green party of England and Wales then? Both parties are socially liberal and firmly on the left.
Who do you think people should vote for in England if they want to fight climate change?
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
Can you tell the website where you got this from please
Bingoman
Well-Known Member
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
OMFG. I laughed so hard I farted.
Fuzzy
Hearts Cov
and there lies the crux of it. mainly white retired males are not in my view going to want a man of Asian descent lead the country.
Fuzzy
Hearts Cov
Hehe. the sheer stupidty of that tweet makes me chuckle.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Then why was kemi badenoch, a women of Nigerian heritage, the most popular candidate with the tory membership?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Well, TBF, she did compensate with some fairly out-there RW stuff. But perhaps there was never any chance of her getting through to the finals?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Spot on. Badenoch (and Sunak) are important signifiers of a particular form of the political commodification of race underway on the right.
I don’t doubt there will be some Tory members who won’t vote for Sunak because of his colour, but there will be others who will precisely because of it. One of the most important sub narratives of the contest has been how diverse the contest shows that the the Tories are.
More significant is the now clearly visible construction of a process to highlight and capture a subset with BAME communities. This takes two forms. Firstly, the suggestion that within that community there are ‘proper conservatives’ who embody aspiration, business and are the ideation of meritocratic Britain. Like Trump, the aim is to appeal to a particular group of potential voters from minority communities. Like Trump, the conservatives have noted a significantly large community where this approach is likely to be fruitful. Black leaders are an important prerequisite in broadening out the appeal to potential new layers of Tory support.
Second, like the identity obsessed liberal left there are those on the insurgent right who see agency in engagement with the idiotic and never ending war around critical race theory.
Badenoch in particular is an important figure (visibly and politically) in the fight as her campaign made plain.
Those characterising the Tories as racists are missing an important change in approach that uses individual stories and leaders to dismiss the structural forms of racism and which seeks to gain political advantage and support via the increasing class divides (which have always existed) within diverse and complex groups.
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Fuzzy
Hearts Cov
I said in my view. can't Speak for the members if the tory party.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
The point is that Sunak's unpopularity with the membership is not necessarily to do with his ethnic background - although that's in there as well. If he was using that background to actively attack liberal ideas on identity and anti racism (as badenoch does) it would be an asset. With sunak his vast wealth, economic orthodoxy, and his refusal to promise unicorns (a la truss) combine with his "not one of us" /"citizen of nowhere" ethnic background to put off the members. But its not as simple as they wont vote for him because of race
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Have we had this yet, where anyone abroad, British citizen or not, can join the Tory party for £25 and vote for the leader? Conservatives Abroad, it's called and I'm not sure I should link to it so here's a tweet instead.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
It’s not really a big deal. To be an overseas member you have to have previously been on the electoral roll in the UK and they verify your previous UK address. It’s not like thousands of random Russians can just sign up. Plus no one can vote for the leader this time around who wasn’t already a member before the thing kicked off.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
Is it? How do they check? Comments on that thread suggest people have tried using false details and it's really easy to join. I realise there's a three month cut-off for eligibility to vote this time round so any damage will have already been done, but it's a shabby way of carrying on.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
I mean there are 200k members so a few random extra people signing up won't make much difference
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
No, they suggest people have successfully submitted their details. I doubt anyone will post on the thread in a month's time when they've been rejected.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
That says something different. You need to have been a previous UK resident and eligible to vote.
What possible benefit would it serve the Conservative Party to have a way for entryists to join from all over the planet to choose their leader? They don’t want that any more than you do. It’s transparently obvious that it’s a possible risk and it’s obvious that they would need a way to mitigate and control this risk.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Well, that's what it says on their website, so what's the source for the BiB?
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
They probably didn't put in on their website because there wasn't a need to as it didn't go viral on Twitter yet. I expect they will update it in due course.
We have a shoddy democracy. Whether you define that by being governed by someone elected by 200,000 gammons that gather in golf club bars, or free for all lobbying, FPTP, an unelected upper house, uncontrolled party funding, or one of dozens of other corrupt mechanisms. Nobody who can fix it wants to do so.
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