Tory Leadership contest 2022

[platinumsage]

We have a shoddy democracy. Whether you define that by being governed by someone elected by 200,000 gammons that gather in golf club bars, or free for all lobbying, FPTP, an unelected upper house, uncontrolled party funding, or one of dozens of other corrupt mechanisms. Nobody who can fix it wants to do so.

How do you think parties should choose their leader? Or more broadly, what system of democracy wouldn't have such flaws?

 

[cupid_stunt]

They probably didn't put in on their website because there wasn't a need to as it didn't go viral on Twitter yet. I expect they will update it in due course.

But the site clearly states 'You do not have to be a voter or a UK citizen', and you're saying the opposite, so surely you must have a source, or did you just make it?

 

[platinumsage]

But the site clearly states 'You do not have to be a voter or a UK citizen', and you're saying the opposite, so surely you must have a source, or did you just make it?

No, that statement in bold accords with what I said, that you need to have previously been a UK resident and eligible to vote here. My source is a Tory party member.

 

[bluescreen]

No, that statement in bold accords with what I said, that you need to have previously been a UK resident and eligible to vote here. My source is a Tory party member.

Are you talking about voting in the GE or voting in the Tory party leadership? We are talking here about the latter.

 

[contadino]

But the site clearly states 'You do not have to be a voter or a UK citizen', and you're saying the opposite, so surely you must have a source, or did you just make it?

Isn't party subscription a political donation? If so it'd be covered by this:

Who can you accept donations and loans from?

www.electoralcommission.org.uk

A permissible source is:

an individual registered on a UK electoral register, including overseas electors and those leaving bequests

 

[platinumsage]

Are you talking about voting in the GE or voting in the Tory party leadership? We are talking here about the latter.

Why would I be talking about GE voting? I think what I've said on the matter is clear

 

[bluescreen]

Why would I be talking about GE voting? I think what I've said on the matter is clear

What you've said is clear but unsubstantiated so I wondered if wires were crossed.

ETA from your source, I mean

 

[platinumsage]

Isn't party subscription a political donation? If so it'd be covered by this:

Who can you accept donations and loans from?

www.electoralcommission.org.uk

A permissible source is:

an individual registered on a UK electoral register, including overseas electors and those leaving bequests

There's a £500 donation limit for those not on the electoral register, so it's not relevant to party membership.

 

[platinumsage]

What you've said is clear but unsubstantiated so I wondered if wires were crossed.

Well I can't substantiate it for you. Perhaps you should phone CCHQ and inquire, or wait for some hack to write it up for the Guardian or whatever.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

The Chancellor’s secret libel letters

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[kabbes]

In the absence of hard evidence, I’m more inclined to believe that those drawing up the vote on leadership aren’t making elementary school level errors about eligibility.

 

[Cat Fan]

The contest will be remembered as the one where everyone competed to do the best Margaret Thatcher impression and Liz Truss won.

 

[steeplejack]

The contest will be remembered as the one where everyone competed to do the best Margaret Thatcher impression and Liz Truss won.

Liz Truss isn't even South West Norfolk's top Margaret Thatcher tribute act.

 

[Ax^]

The contest will be remembered as the one where everyone competed to do the best Margaret Thatcher impression and Liz Truss won.

my option at this stage would be to issue the 2 remaining candidates with the below

and then let them fight to the death to pick the next leader

 

[rutabowa]

I've decided I'm not all that interested in predicting who might end up being the Tory leader tbh.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

How do you think parties should choose their leader? Or more broadly, what system of democracy wouldn't have such flaws?

A system with some form of PR would have far fewer of these flaws. Given that no single party ever gets close to 50% of the vote in the UK, such a system would ensure that all governments are coalitions of some kind. You wouldn't have this situation under such circumstances as the coalition partners could pull the plug and trigger a general election.

 

[platinumsage]

A system with some form of PR would have far fewer of these flaws. Given that no single party ever gets close to 50% of the vote in the UK, such a system would ensure that all governments are coalitions of some kind. You wouldn't have this situation under such circumstances as the coalition partners could pull the plug and trigger a general election.

I’m sure I could create a list of flaws for e.g. the system in Germany that is just as long. Many PR countries often take months and sometimes years to form a government following a general election for example.

 

[bimble]

I just went to the land of the Swiss and for all it’s many ridiculousnesses, the fact that nobody knows the name of any of the 7 people who together approximate the role of PM seems pretty good to me atm.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[brogdale]

I couldn't get beyond the apples to India point. Anyone for a crisp Granny Singh?

 

[wow]

bully for you

You’re OK with bullying?

 

[bluescreen]

You’re OK with bullying?

Did you come here looking for an argument?

BTW, I'm not OK with bullying but haven't seen it on this thread. If (which I somehow doubt) you're a very sensitive person this might not be the most hospitable forum.

 

[two sheds]

Did you come here looking for an argument?

I've told you once

No, you didn't

Yes, I did

 

[wow]

Did you come here looking for an argument?

BTW, I'm not OK with bullying but haven't seen it on this thread. If (which I somehow doubt) you're a very sensitive person this might not be the most hospitable forum.

Cat Fan. Look it up

I don’t know him/her but they got roasted on here for their opinion.

I’m not sensitive. If your idea of sensitive is “oh you don’t understand the vibe here”, then respectfully…screw you, because you’re defending grown men intimidating women.

 

[teuchter]

And to balance it up
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That is not a truss and that is not the definition of a truss. The joke is not valid.

 

[bluescreen]

Cat Fan. Look it up

I don’t know him/her but they got roasted on here for their opinion.

I’m not sensitive. If your idea of sensitive is “oh you don’t understand the vibe here”, then respectfully…screw you, because you’re defending grown men intimidating women.

Eh? I had a quick look and don't know what you're talking about. Can you point to a particular conversation?
Also, FWIW, had no idea Cat Fan was a woman.

This whole exchange is baffling.

 

[teqniq]

I've told you once

No, you didn't

Yes, I did

Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?

 

[wow]

Eh? I had a quick look and don't know what you're talking about. Can you point to a particular conversation?
Also, FWIW, had no idea Cat Fan was a woman.

This whole exchange is baffling.

Look it up yourself. I’m just telling you the individuals involved are bully’s. I think you probably know that yourself, but because they’re forum royalty no-one complains. I don’t know or care who they are, so I’m very happy to call them what they are.

Is this the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?

Don’t give me that you snotty faced heap of parrot droppings.

 

[Ax^]

do you know Cat Fan personally wow


white knighting it atm

 

[bluescreen]

Look it up yourself. I’m just telling you the individuals involved are bully’s. I think you probably know that yourself, but because they’re forum royalty no-one complains. I don’t know or care who they are, so I’m very happy to call them what they are.



Don’t give me that you snotty faced heap of parrot droppings.

Did you not read my post? I couldn't find the bullying you're complaining about.
There is a Report button if you see something inappropriate.