Tory Leadership contest 2022

[Supine]

They certainly didn’t vote Brexit to advance the interests of capital, though, did they?

Bet Reese Mogg did

 

[elbows]

When searching for a fair view of the real politics of the people in this country, we should include things like how well received the tv appearances by Mick Lynch were. And all the occasions where the media had to adjust their tune when the level of public support for certain strikes became undeniable, eg I'll always remember the BBC having to shift a little when people were honking their support for striking firefighters.

 

[Cat Fan]

On sentence 1, sticking it to the establishment (and their corporeal Remainer fellow travellers, who use phrases like like 'Lexit Loonies') was a core reason - particularly among working class leave voters - for voting to leave the EU neo-liberal project:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0309816819873310

On sentence 2, why have you put a hashtag next to Lexit? Have you got U75 mixed up with FBPE Twitter?

Leaving the EU neoliberal project - so we can have our own 10x worse neoliberal project. Who needs human rights? Lexiters played a blinder.

 

[andysays]

Sorry to drag the thread back to the subject of the Tory leadership contest, but it looks like Truss is pursuing a strategy which could feed further divisions within the party

Conservative leadership: Liz Truss says Tory economic policy choked growth​

The economic policies of previous Conservative and Labour governments over 20 years have not delivered growth, Tory leadership candidate Liz Truss has said. Ms Truss has criticised tax increases introduced by her rival Rishi Sunak, arguing they "choked off" growth...

...The head-to-head leadership contest is intensifying, as Ms Truss made her pitch in an interview with the BBC, describing herself as someone who would "drive-through change". She said: "We have had a consensus of the Treasury, of economists, with the Financial Times, with other outlets, peddling a particular type of economic policy for 20 years. It hasn't delivered growth." Ms Truss said those in the Treasury - where she once worked under a Conservative government - "do have economic orthodoxy and they do resist change. What people in Britain desperately need now is change," Ms Truss said.

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[Supine]

Sorry to drag the thread back to the subject of the Tory leadership contest, but it looks like Truss is pursuing a strategy which could feed further divisions within the party

Conservative leadership: Liz Truss says Tory economic policy choked growth​

In that interview she was pressed to say which leading economists agreed with her idea for low tax improving inflation. She only said Minford and couldn’t expand the answer. Basically the brexiteer go to man for idiotic financial advise.

 

[Spandex]

Sorry to drag the thread back to the subject of the Tory leadership contest, but it looks like Truss is pursuing a strategy which could feed further divisions within the party

Conservative leadership: Liz Truss says Tory economic policy choked growth​

Truss really is taking this Thatcher cosplay seriously.

In 1981 364 economists signed a letter criticising Thatcher's economic plans; one of the few economists to support Thatcher was Patrick Minford.

Now economists are lining up to criticise Truss' economic plans; the only economist to support Truss is Patrick Minford.

Where will this plan to copy Thatcher end? A windfall tax on the banks and oil industry? Since Thatcher's tax cuts were paid for by North Sea oil revenue is she busy sending prospectors out in the hope of finding new oil reserves off Aberdeen?

FFS, it's not the 1980s any more.

 

[Wilf]

FFS, it's not the 1980s any more.

I'm afraid it is.

 

[Raheem]

Where will this plan to copy Thatcher end?

In a general election.

 

[planetgeli]

In a general election.

That's not how Thatcher ended

 

[planetgeli]

And somebody should try to blow her up in a Brighton hotel room first.

 

[Raheem]

That's not how Thatcher ended

Yes, hence the plan to copy Thatcher will have come to an end.

 

[extra dry]

comedy clip; pretty short and quite funny. the leadership race, scary stuff

 

[redsquirrel]

I've never understood people who claim to be left wing but spend all their energy hating on other factions of the left.

That's one reason the Tories have stayed in power so long imo, they're better at burying their differences when they need to.

Do you believe you are "left-wing"?
Because on this, and other, threads you've argued for the neutrality of economics and that people have 'had it good' the last decade.

In the UK (a generally conservative leaning country) they are left of the median voter on both economic and social issues and no one could reasonably argue otherwise.

Absolute rubbish as KB and kabbes have pointed out. Not only are voters to the left of the LP on economic issues, the populace of the UK is not especially socially conservative - were you completely blind during the last month pride flags were literally everywhere, views on transgender issues are not especially conservative, views on race have shifted hugely in the last 30, or even 10 years

So you can bask in your political purity obvs. And feel good telling cook about socialism when you are back for the hols.

As opposed to basking in the political purity of telling anyone who did not vote for a neo-liberal party they were supporting the Tories.

 

[danny la rouge]

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In case this story didn’t break in Englandshire:



Watch the interviewer’s face.

 

[planetgeli]

In case this story didn’t break in Englandshire:



Watch the interviewer’s face.

Is this like 'what happened next?'

I think we should be told.

 

[Knotted]

 

[cupid_stunt]

yougov poll of party members, first since only 2 have been left in the running, Truss has increased her lead.

Sunak 38% / Truss 62%

 

[Sue]

In case this story didn’t break in Englandshire:



Watch the interviewer’s face.

I sometimes think they must be doing it deliberately as surely they can't actually be that rubbish.

(See also Labour.)

 

[LDC]

She belongs as a small part in The Thick of It. Some catastrophic disaster of a MP that lasts one episode. No like the actual PM ffs.

 

[planetgeli]

yougov poll of party members, first since only 2 have been left in the running, Truss has increased her lead.

Sunak 38% / Truss 62%

Only the S&M videos can save us now.

And I actually think Rishi's are much better.

 

[teqniq]

Ooops:

 

[Cat Fan]

Do you believe you are "left-wing"?

I'm a Green party member. You can draw your own conclusions. Please keep it civil rather than going personal.

If voters are generally to the left of LP on all issues as you say, then they must be very confused when they get into the polling booth and find themselves voting Labour & Tory (I'm thinking of England. You can make a different case for Wales & Scotland).

 

[Wolveryeti]

Rishi Sunak sounds amazingly like Will off the Inbetweeners when he does campaign speaking. Try listening with your eyes closed - uncanny shit.

 

[killer b]

My brother points out that he sounds like Ed Miliband if you close your eyes

 

[Calamity1971]

Rishi Sunak sounds amazingly like Will off the Inbetweeners when he does campaign speaking. Try listening with your eyes closed - uncanny shit.

Will after he organised the school prom.

 

[Calamity1971]

Love him or loathe him, this is quite good.

 

[redsquirrel]

I'm a Green party member. You can draw your own conclusions. Please keep it civil rather than going personal.

That tell me you are a member of a liberal party that uses scab labour, it does not tell me how you think of yourself.

If voters are generally to the left of LP on all issues as you say, then they must be very confused when they get into the polling booth and find themselves voting Labour & Tory (I'm thinking of England. You can make a different case for Wales & Scotland).

Who are voters supposed to vote for if they want to see redistribution? Never mind that there are all types of reasons that people vote - tactical, emotional, cultural. Politics starts outside the voting booth.

 

[Bingoman]

Ooops:

That's screwed him out of winning then

 

[existentialist]

She belongs as a small part in The Thick of It. Some catastrophic disaster of a MP that lasts one episode. No like the actual PM ffs.

Ah, but the Thick Of it It is only satire. This is reality