Cat Fan
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Not at all saying that voters are idiotic. They just don't want nationalisation for the same reasons as those who would identify as left wing.
Tory Leadership contest 2022
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Brexit wasn’t right wing. I think you’re getting social conservatism mixed up with economic doctrine. People voting for Brexit may have been traditionalists or protectionists or authoritarian or many other things but they were voting against the tenets of capitalism, if anything.
Nationalisation is popular because people like the results of nationalisation? Sounds pretty left wing to me.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
The majority are in favour of more taxes on people who aren't them, in poll shockerPeople voted for Brexit for a mixture of reasons, many which couldn't really be considered right wing. And tax rises for rich people are very popular - 64% think the rich are taxed too little.
Are taxes on the rich too high or low in Britain?
Thinking about the level of taxes paid by the richest people in Britain, do you think they are too high, too low, or about right?yougov.co.uk
What are the reasons of those who would “identify”* as left wing?
*Frankly, your use of the word “identify” there is incredibly revealing. Politics as positioning rather than conviction.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
People did not vote Brexit to stick one in the eye of capitalism. Except for a tiny number of #Lexit loonies
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
You really do have the political analysis of sixth former don’t you…
They certainly didn’t vote Brexit to advance the interests of capital, though, did they?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
What are the tenets of capitalism? – Greed-Head.com
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They are in favour of progressive taxation, which should form a key part of any serious left-wing electoral programme.The majority are in favour of more taxes on people who aren't them, in poll shocker
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Explains a lot .
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
A lot of people did vote Brexit to stick one in the eye of the established order, which happens to be a neoliberal established order. You're right that the the explicit 'lexit' vote was small, but in this kind of referendum, the 'change' vote is generally an indication of not being satisfied with how things are going. At that particular point in time in 2016, after several years of brutal 'austerity', more people were pissed off with how things were going than were ok with it.
I would suggest that what the Brexit vote wasn't was a widespread indication that people thought the EU was not capitalist enough and the UK needed to be freed from its shackles. That's the line put forward by a certain kind of Tory brexiteer, but it doesn't hold water. In many instances, the same people who voted leave also strongly support things like rail renationalisation.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
So you can bask in your political purity obvs. And feel good telling cook about socialism when you are back for the hols.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
I certainly spoke to people who believed in all the wonderful deals we would be free to sign.
Cat Fan
Cats and stats
A truly progressive taxation system would include a wealth tax, which just scrolling down on the YouGov link you shared, people are 2:1 against.
It's a loaded question to ask whether the rich should be taxed more. Everyone has a different idea of what qualifies as rich and no one thinks they are rich themselves.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
The £500 deposit for standing in elections is a real barrier for smaller parties. If there are dedicated people within a seat eager to stand next time, start saving now!
ska invita
back on the other side
What does it explain? I've moved two miles south from Lewisham as it's cheaper and crossed a ward boundary
ska invita
back on the other side
Speak up now, play the ball
Look forward to hearing your grown up politics about Starmer and the grown ups back in the room
You're misreading the poll - the poll only asks which method of taxation the respondents think is fairer, not whether they would support a wealth tax at all. I expect a wealth tax aimed at the very wealthy would poll well.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the phrase you were searching for is 'i'd rather stay a child and keep my self-respect if being an adult means being like you'
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
sunak will not know the prices of any of the components nor the total spent
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
We really need rolleyes/vomit reaction options for posts like that...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
So he's giving them the finger?
elbows
Well-Known Member
Whichever one gets in, this will be the first time we have a PM who is younger than me, although in the case of Truss only by a few months.
Having now had some years of seeing people around my age starting to rise to the senior management positions, I'm as unimpressed as I have always expected to be. Although its not quite a fair test due to the nature of the prevailing economic and ideological shit during this era.
They've grown up being surrounded by people who had to justfy the unjustifiable, thats the default that they are now well practiced at imitating. I supose the real test will be if reality bites all this shit on the arse at some point and forced them to face a very different situation.
Having now had some years of seeing people around my age starting to rise to the senior management positions, I'm as unimpressed as I have always expected to be. Although its not quite a fair test due to the nature of the prevailing economic and ideological shit during this era.
They've grown up being surrounded by people who had to justfy the unjustifiable, thats the default that they are now well practiced at imitating. I supose the real test will be if reality bites all this shit on the arse at some point and forced them to face a very different situation.
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
On sentence 1, sticking it to the establishment (and their corporeal Remainer fellow travellers, who use phrases like like 'Lexit Loonies') was a core reason - particularly among working class leave voters - for voting to leave the EU neo-liberal project:
On sentence 2, why have you put a hashtag next to Lexit? Have you got U75 mixed up with FBPE Twitter?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
All looks a bit Peter principle to me.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Well beyond this, none of these people should be trusted to run a village fete cake stall
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