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Tory Leadership contest 2022

That tell me you are a member of a liberal party that uses scab labour, it does not tell me how you think of yourself.

Who are voters supposed to vote for if they want to see redistribution? Never mind that there are all types of reasons that people vote - tactical, emotional, cultural. Politics starts outside the voting booth.
Genuinely baffled :confused:

I don't think either of us is going to convince anyone so let's leave it there perhaps.
 
You are entitled to your opinions Mr/Mrs redsquirrel but I think it's time to draw a line underneath as this discussion is getting increasingly deranged and off topic.
 
You are entitled to your opinions Mr/Mrs redsquirrel but I think it's time to draw a line underneath as this discussion is getting increasingly deranged and off topic.

I agree.

But, if you are genuinely baffled by redsquirrel's posts, check out what the Greens have done when in control of Brighton & Hove City Council.
 
And when she was a kid, I just don't get why people think it means anything.
Agreed, but worth noting that Sunak thought it did in that first TV 'debate' when he asked her which she most regretted, being a LIbDem or being a remainer.
 
You are entitled to your opinions Mr/Mrs redsquirrel but I think it's time to draw a line underneath as this discussion is getting increasingly deranged and off topic.

I like how in pretending that you don't make assumptions about gender you have used sexist prefixes, it's quite wonderful and sort of sums you up. You think of yourself as being progressive and left wing but are actually quite conservative
 
Funny how I wrote a post saying the left doesn't stick together enough and then a bunch of random people start hounding me for not being left enough for their tastes. :(

No offence intended chaps. I didn't want to misgender anyone either it was just a passing remark. I have lots of close friends and family who are LGBTQI+ and I'm always willing to learn to be more inclusive and welcoming
 
Funny how I wrote a post saying the left doesn't stick together enough and then a bunch of random people start hounding me for not being left enough for their tastes. :(

No offence intended chaps. I didn't want to misgender anyone either it was just a passing remark. I have lots of close friends and family who are LGBTQI+ and I'm always willing to learn to be more inclusive and welcoming
Admitting you can learn from others is a good start.
 
The last 100 years tell us that Labour is far more likely to move even further to the right if Starmer loses. In fact that’s exactly what the Blairites plan to do and they are carefully biding their time. Labour could even split and a new elite liberal centrist vehicle emerge free of ties to the labour movement.
I think that's right.
I’d take - any day of the week- a useless Starmer Labour Government subject to pressure from the unions and what passes for the labour left these days over Truss and the insurgent Tory right characterised by Badenoch.
The problem with this is that, in the short term, rather like Biden in the US, you remove the Right from government. But a weak centrist government (Biden, Macron) is unlikely to succeed. So in the long term, the Right return. But in the meantime they've moved even further to the right - in the US to become a far right movement, in France to literal fascism. God knows what the Tories will morph into during a Starmer government.
Electorally, a shit labour government is always the best we are going to get.
A sad lack of ambition that always becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
Admitting you can learn from others is a good start.
We can all learn from each other if we keep an open mind and try to listen.

I don't appreciate your tone though.

Next time you feel like making an angry post attacking someone I suggest take a deep breath and step away from the keyboard for a bit instead. This isn't the right place for it.
 
Whoever wins is going to have a nice little filip, by the next election the Tory gerrymandering boundary changes will have grabbed them an extra 20 plus seats
 
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