third position fascism

[butchersapron]

I know I keep saying that but i will this time (it might not be all that good though)

There ain't no pressure!

 

[chilango]

The rise of national bolshevism in Russia over the last 30 or so years is also something that needs to be looked at. I know that a couple of posters here have a lot of good history/info on that. (And leave the pics if you post eh?)

Aye. I think it certainly influenced the TPers here away DH et al and their lurch to pastoral Catholicism and towards all ths national anarchist bullshit. I suspect the infamous pictures of which you speak helped with the appeal too.

 

[seventh bullet]

I know I keep saying that but i will this time (it might not be all that good though)

Marlene Laruelle's Russian Eurasianism: An Ideology of Empire is excellent for background to something which is eclectic, not necessarily fascist, and of which the more recent National Bolshevism is one part. Or to be specific to this thread, the neo-Eurasianism of Alexander Dugin and his influence on the former.

 

[frogwoman]

Marlene Laruelle's Russian Eurasianism: An Ideology of Empire is excellent for background to something which is eclectic, not necessarily fascist, and of which the more recent National Bolshevism is one part. Or to be specific to this thread, the neo-Eurasianism of Alexander Dugin and his influence on the former.

Cheers for that

 

[seventh bullet]

Aye. I think it certainly influenced the TPers here away DH et al and their lurch to pastoral Catholicism and towards all ths national anarchist bullshit. I suspect the infamous pictures of which you speak helped with the appeal too.

I believe the girls and guns stuff (crudely translated as Our Combat Girlfriends) was/is a piss take, and drawn from parts of the Soviet-era counterculture and its underground art and music scenes in the 1980s converging with nationalist politics at that time and into the 1990s.

 

[Wilf]

Bump.

 

[butchersapron]

Look at this phenomenon - our old friends Alain Soral and Serge Ayoub put in an appearance of course.

A reading into the new wave of European far-right and the reasons behind its support for the Syrian regime

The new far right: “left wing in its work, right wing in its values”!?…

The transformation undergone by the Right because of the redefinition of the enemy on one hand and reprioritization on the other, has led to adopting and overtaking some of the leftist ideas in order to empower this new intellectual orientation. For example, we see that the campaign of Marine le Pen in the French presidential elections of 2012 was based on social and economic issues, to the extent that it almost failed to mention some of the favourite topics of the far-right such as banning migrants. The far-right’s adoption of some of the leftist and Marxist rhetoric is not new; this was clear since the birth of fascism as Mussolini used to address the proletariat and fascists alike with his radical, nationalistic, anti-capitalist speeches. Of course, this was to a great extent a selective and manipulative manoeuvre, because the enemy was foreign capitalism and not the national one, and some of the aims of these speeches were the conciliation between the work force and the nationalistic business owners.

 

[butchersapron]

Some more nonsense and shenanigans:

The New Face of the Radical Right?

White Power Anarchism?

Among articles celebrating the rise of fascism in Ukraine, whitepower.us published an article last month called “Ron Paul, Libertarianism, and The Anarchist Connection.” Celebrating an unlikely combination of Murray Bookchin and former speechwriter for Barry Goldwater, Karl Hess, the article proposes an anarchic struggle of the individual against institutions. Ron Paul then becomes a jumping off point for a possible national front under the guise of libertarian promises of freedom.

“[W]hether Ron Paul’s campaign machine would now consider an outreach to include a visible left component—perhaps the OCCUPY movement—is probably not in the cards… However, it is tempting to imagine a new fangled party styled on Libertarian lines: principled, but with fresh blood, a refreshed agenda and a something-we-can-all-agree on platform. Down the road this sort of movement might gain some real political traction; especially if we keep racing down the path towards more muscular restraints on personal freedom.”

Demurring from a National Front party, these sentiments are virtually interchangeable with the ideology pushed by National Anarchists. “Internationalists, of every description, have no understanding of the relationship that exists between the people, generations of people, and the land from which they are drawn, i.e. the concept of Blood and Soil,” a National Anarchist spokesman explains. Referencing Blood and Soil (Blut und Boden)—the German movement of Romantic ultranationalism that spread genocidal hatred of Jews—is a clear hat tip to German Fascism. More broadly, the völkish narrative of the Nation used by NATA marks a close approximation of Hitler’s definition of the Nation as “the living organism—the people.”

 

[Citizen66]

Anarcho Nationalism is an oxymoron.

 

[butchersapron]

Here's a green/liberal version of it, the fucking mugs:

In his new book Unstoppable: The Emerging Left-Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State, Ralph Nader explores the emerging political alignment of the Left and the Right against converging corporate-government autocracy and crony capitalism.

The purpose of the gathering is to convene unlikely allies to tackle the bold ideas of convergence presented in Unstoppable and turn them operational.

Some info on the people at cuddly ralphs gathering.

 

[butchersapron]

The politics of Alain Soral

Millions of French people, especially the young, read the website of Alain Soral and watch his monthly online talks, in which he thinks and argues his way through to a nationalist, sometimes socialist, always anti-Semitic, parallel politics.

...

We have to ask whether “moral” reflections, like Soral’s supposedly anti-capitalist, nationalist and above party allegiances, do not often lead to a red-brown populism, which is not anti-capitalist but strongly xenophobic, if not fascist. If history is any guide, the answer is yes.

Not all Soral’s supporters are proto-fascists, but it would be foolish to ignore the fact that his speeches invite more than one interpretation. His arguments and their conclusions hinge on an assessment of social problems in terms of societal values and the idea of the “nation”. The result is an apparently coherent view of the social and personal damage done by neoliberal modernity. This frees his online followers from any fear that they are sad reactionaries, and makes them feel part of an enlightened minority.

 

[butchersapron]

Found an excellent summary from Roger Griffin that captures this very concisely in his paper Interregnum or Endgame? Radical Right Thought in the ‘Post-fascist’ Era (pdf):

While it impossible to generalize about its ideological contents, the recurrent features of New Right thought are: a ‘right-wing Gramscianism’ which recognizes that cultural hegemony must precede political hegemony; the extensive use of intellectuals associated with the ‘Conservative Revolution’, notably Nietzsche, Ernst Jünger, Martin Heidegger, and Carl Schmitt, as articulators of principles central to non-Nazi variants of German fascism which emerged under Weimar; the idea of Europe as a unique cultural homeland which can still be revitalized by renewing contact with its pre-Christian mythic roots; an extreme eclecticism stemming from the belief that the dichotomy of left and right can be transcended in a new alliance of intellectual energies opposed to the dominant system of liberal egalitarianism, capitalist materialism, and American consumerist individualism (summed up in the concept of a creeping ‘McDonaldization’ of the world, which also links in with an idiosyncratic concern with ecology); the celebration of ethnic diversity and difference (‘differentialism’) to be defended against cultural imperialism and ‘totalitarian’ one-worldism (‘mondialisme’), mass migration, and the liberal endorsement of a multi-racial society (presented as ‘genocidal’).

Whole piece is well worth a read.

 

[Idris2002]

Here, butchers, over lunch I was reading this paper from 2012 from a "Graham Macklin" (know him? if so, any good?) about the appalling AK Chesterton and his various disgusting activities.

This Chesterton character was one of the first to popularise the notion that the Bilderberg group was the secret cabal controlling our destinies (ensuring that I can't get a girlfriend, for example).

 

[butchersapron]

Here, butchers, over lunch I was reading this paper from 2012 from a "Graham Macklin" (know him? if so, any good?) about the appalling AK Chesterton and his various disgusting activities.

This Chesterton character was one of the first to popularise the notion that the Bilderberg group was the secret cabal controlling our destinies (ensuring that I can't get a girlfriend, for example).

Yes, he's reliable - he's part of the lefter than liberal group of british writers on fascism - people like Nigel Copsey etc.

I've got another excellent quote from this paper i'm going to post on the characterising Israel thread in a sec.

 

[quiquaquo]

As regards International Third Position Roberto Fiore's italian Wikipedia page seems blocked due to a "legal dispute": http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Fiore

Personally can't stand the cunts, have a cousin involved with them and the "English Democrats" unfortunately

 

[Idris2002]

Can anyone recommend a good reference for the ways in which the Euro far right started talking about "culture" (as in "defence of indigenous Euro culture against the Islamic-Jewish-Immigrant-Globalist menace") instead of their traditional reliance on "race" (which I'm sure they still rely on behind closed doors)?

 

[butchersapron]

Can anyone recommend a good reference for the ways in which the Euro far right started talking about "culture" (as in "defence of indigenous Euro culture against the Islamic-Jewish-Immigrant-Globalist menace") instead of their traditional reliance on "race" (which I'm sure they still rely on behind closed doors)?

Can you access this?

 

[Idris2002]

Can you access this?

That's a negatory, good buddie, 10-4.

 

[Idris2002]

Presumably someone in my wide circle of academic weird beards will have access, though.

 

[butchersapron]

I reckon someone here must be able to. Help us out someone!

For a more general look try the early chapters of The Meaning of Race or Strange Fruit: why both sides are wrong in the Race debate - both by Kenan Malik.

 

[butchersapron]

The very excellent Red Squirrel has obliged: The New Right: ethno-regionalism, ethno-pluralism and the emergence of a neo-fascist ‘Third Way’

 

[Idris2002]

The very excellent Red Squirrel has obliged: The New Right: ethno-regionalism, ethno-pluralism and the emergence of a neo-fascist ‘Third Way’

He got off the crack and turned his life around, then. Thank you Red Squirrel, and thank you butchers.

 

[Idris2002]

Not sure if this link will work, but I just thought I should repay the favour (and I have no idea if this paper on the sociology of the far right is any good, btw):

http://people.su.se/~rydgr/Sociology of the radical right.pdf

 

[butchersapron]

Here's a really odd one - Guardian columnist, autonomist-lite, part of the commentariat, mate of bifo, goldsmiths, verso employee etc has a piece here on Ernst Jünger - long time central to third positionism/german equivalent to Evola - pimping the new collection of his first positionist nonsense published by Telos (Telos used to be a very important journal and publishers for hegelian marxism and frankfurt shcool stuff in the early 70s to late 80s that has now become the same for the european new right/third postionists) concluding that:

In his inexhaustible generosity, Jünger might even exceed the figure of the mere writer. As he offers us some of the things that we need to make better sense and actively deepen our enjoyment of our lives, his place can hardly be on our bookshelves. Upon consideration, we might decide that his place is rather on our side, as a friend.

 

[phildwyer]

Here, butchers, over lunch I was reading this paper from 2012 from a "Graham Macklin" (know him? if so, any good?) about the appalling AK Chesterton and his various disgusting activities.

This Chesterton character was one of the first to popularise the notion that the Bilderberg group was the secret cabal controlling our destinies (ensuring that I can't get a girlfriend, for example).

He was GK Chesterton's cousin.

The most racist book ever:

And the most anti-semitic book ever:

 

[Idris2002]

Here's a really odd one - Guardian columnist, autonomist-lite, part of the commentariat, mate of bifo, goldsmiths, verso employee etc has a piece here on Ernst Jünger - long time central to third positionism/german equivalent to Evola - pimping the new collection of his first positionist nonsense published by Telos (Telos used to be a very important journal and publishers for hegelian marxism and frankfurt shcool stuff in the early 70s to late 80s that has now become the same for the european new right/third postionists) concluding that:

There's a simple reason for that. US academia is viciously competitive and individualistic, and in certain disicplines this creates incentives to find a way to say "my obscure French theorist is more obscure than your obscure French theorist".

Though mind, you, Telos has been owned outright since its inception by one guy, a "Paul Piccone", and I'd be willing to bet he believes the shite he currently prints. (the one that stuck in my mind was the claim that the European volunteers for the SS on the eastern front were functionally equivalent to those who joined the international brigades in Spain).

This isn't funny. Yesterday, I happened to pass by the site of the Kaiser William Institute for Anthropology. . . there's a post-war plaque condemning the crimes committed in the name of German anthropology during the war. . .

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Here's a really odd one - Guardian columnist, autonomist-lite, part of the commentariat, mate of bifo, goldsmiths, verso employee etc has a piece here on Ernst Jünger - long time central to third positionism/german equivalent to Evola - pimping the new collection of his first positionist nonsense published by Telos (Telos used to be a very important journal and publishers for hegelian marxism and frankfurt shcool stuff in the early 70s to late 80s that has now become the same for the european new right/third postionists) concluding that:

http://th-rough.eu/writers/campagna...ire-proposal-southern-european-anarcho-papism

 

[Flavour]

I think 5-Star are heading in this direction in Italy, but they are still keen to fly the traditional (by Italian standards) anti-establishment flags (NO TAV etc) at their stalls when they turn in the city centers. But nobody on the left trusts them at all - there's a deep mistrust/suspicion, but we are still waiting to see how this (extremely young) "movement" develops... in many ways its sort of up for grabs if any of their new MPs want to really take the reins away from Grillo...

also interesting was the Forconi movement which basically came out of nowhere, held a highly successful one-day national strike across most of Italy (especially here in Torino) and then largely disappeared from view and fairly quickly... but it was a weird day, to see so many demonstrators clogging up the central square waving the Italian flag. There's certainly a huge current of latent fascism beneath the surface in contemporary Italy which can be brought to the surface using the right sequence of secret codes. Luckily, there's a fairly substantial support/sympathy for Anarchism too, at least compared to the UK

 

[The39thStep]

I think 5-Star are heading in this direction in Italy, but they are still keen to fly the traditional (by Italian standards) anti-establishment flags (NO TAV etc) at their stalls when they turn in the city centers. But nobody on the left trusts them at all - there's a deep mistrust/suspicion, but we are still waiting to see how this (extremely young) "movement" develops... in many ways its sort of up for grabs if any of their new MPs want to really take the reins away from Grillo...

also interesting was the Forconi movement which basically came out of nowhere, held a highly successful one-day national strike across most of Italy (especially here in Torino) and then largely disappeared from view and fairly quickly... but it was a weird day, to see so many demonstrators clogging up the central square waving the Italian flag. There's certainly a huge current of latent fascism beneath the surface in contemporary Italy which can be brought to the surface using the right sequence of secret codes. Luckily, there's a fairly substantial support/sympathy for Anarchism too, at least compared to the UK

How does this fairly substantial support for the anarchist scene play out then?

 

[Flavour]

Tolerance of social centres by the authorities (most of the time, at least with the older ones, though they are keen to evict newer occupations), big protest marches when occupiers/squatters are evicted, the CSA (centro sociale autogestito) is the biggest mix of ages/races/classes in Torino city center and its full of people every weekend (and this is literally in the very middle of the city, on the river bank) -- major overlap between the NO TAV (anti-high speed rail link with France) crowd (who come from across the left and even sometimes from the right) and the more hardcore anarchist scene, which does more than any other to sustain NO TAV, so in essence, a protest movement which is socially relevant has the anarchist scene as its core support base, but NO TAV is easy to sympathise with so NO TAV protests organized by anarchists draw people from a much wider political spectrum...