third position fascism
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For the time being in the countries where the right is strongest (the US and Eastern Europe for example) the old guard are still too mired in the anti-communism of the Cold War to fully embrace this sort of stuff, though in the future, as a new generation of fascists take the lead in these cirlces, their lip service to social equality, anti-corporatism and so on will potentially make them more electable (while right now I think taking these lines would make Orban, Salvini etc less electable)
butchersapron
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Was unsure where to stick this - the syria thread isn't right, any posts there should be about the ongoing russian massacres for the air of soft targets civilians:
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Italian neo-fascist group CasaPound visited the Syrian city of Aleppo, the Syrian Ministry of Tourism said Tuesday.
"Syria is gettings its tourism groove back," the ministry posted on Facebook. The post described extreme right-wing CasaPound as "the Italian delegation" and said the group visited Aleppo's Old City.
"They expressed their pleasure to experience the fast restoration process and resilience & steadfastness of Syrian People," the ministry wrote.
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Italian neo-fascist group CasaPound visited the Syrian city of Aleppo, the Syrian Ministry of Tourism said Tuesday.
"Syria is gettings its tourism groove back," the ministry posted on Facebook. The post described extreme right-wing CasaPound as "the Italian delegation" and said the group visited Aleppo's Old City.
"They expressed their pleasure to experience the fast restoration process and resilience & steadfastness of Syrian People," the ministry wrote.
Larry O'Hara
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Just stumbled across this thread while looking to see if Urban had picked up on Roberto Fiore’s attempt to intervene in the spy cops inquiry as mentioned in latest private eye. As even my old mate and failed PhD student Craig Fowlie has admitted, there is very little serious research published on this period. Might I suggest those interested could do far worse than check out my (completed) PhD on the subject, available free to download here. All you have to do is create a free account...
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this is the reference
Larry O'Hara
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This is indeed the piece. I am interested becausethis is the reference
1) it was Notes From the Borderland issue 1 that broke the story of the fascist charity front
2) the Charity Commission resolutely refused to investigate properly (see NFB issue 2), and it seems clear Fiore had protection within part of the state at least.
Therefore, was Sorrachi/ or rather his controllers dissatisfied at this protection?
for the record I have seen no credible evidence linking Fiore to the Bologna bombing.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
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Starry Wisdom
i take it you mean the petrol bombing of the
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Oh i haven't looked into the guys previous history tbh
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Nothing about the Dover dude's background has been released as yet, but he petrol bombed a detention centre, which is the sort of thing spycop Carlo 'Neri' Sorrachi tried to persuade the activists he infiltrated to do.
Fedayn
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this is the reference
I knew Dan and Joe, both cracking blokes, rather well.
Fedayn
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And for the record, I am not suggesting they were dodgy, Dan got screwed over by his employer and Joe was a brilliant rep at his housing workplace. Both of them I would tyrust as being comrades and good mates. Stayed with Dan on occasion. A brave lad, well he is a West Ham fan who used to live across the road from Chelsea's ground many years ago.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Some details now released:
‘I will end illegal immigration’: who was Dover firebomb suspect Andrew Leak?
Far-right supporter, found dead after migrant centre petrol attack, made no secret of admiration for Tommy Robinson
Is there any type of fascism that isn't third position? (Genuine question). I would've thought atleast that most types of fascism were.
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Larry O'Hara
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Lots aren’t: Third Positionism is not Nazism
My understanding is that Hitler claimed that national socialism was a 'third way' ie. an alternative to both capitalism and communism. Same with Mussolini and his fascism.
But ofcourse there is no genuine third way with fascism because it has always ended up as state capitalism of some type.
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Larry O'Hara
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This is a vast field…yes Hitler did claim his was a third way but you need to distinguish vetween fascism as ideology and fascist regimes. The specific term Third Position was given currency in this country by Italian exiles like Fiore, influenced by Franco Freda, who influenced the old Official NF to become Third Positionist. Might I suggest a lot of your questions are answered in my PhD referenced above: I am I think the only person to have studied this in detail, unfortunately not published.
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can you not summarise in a few lines? its a good question
however the term was given currency historically doesnt explain to me why Nazi self-stated third positionism is not actually third positionism.
Larry O'Hara
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A good question: exactly why the answer cannot be given “in a few lines”. Should you care to read my PhD and then come back with further questions I will briefly answer them. But posts on U75 are no substitute for detailed research. Sorry
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I'm sure you can summarise some key points. Academic papers still have abstract summaries.
Never mind though, I'm not fussed
Larry O'Hara
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I reiterate my previous answer: the arcane thought of Julius Evola for instance cannot be easily summarised.
For those interested
p.50-64 critiques woefully poor academic research (and with Grand Inquisitor/Chief Clown Matthew Feldman and coppers nark Matthew Collins, standards haven’t risen any)
P.90-98 covers what was new in NF ideology/wasn't
p.171-98 covers the decisive matter of ‘political soldier’ ideology
Imagine the above few lines are an abstract: but surely no abstract actually goes into much detail anyway
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i'd happily read your PhD Larry O'Hara
Larry O'Hara
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If you scroll back there is a link above to how you register to read it for free
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