The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS was predominantly composed of Ukrainians who supported Bandera. After WW2 members were dispersed to both Canada and the UK.
Fascists, Fascism and the Invasion.
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Starry Wisdom
surprised it's not in swastika, ont.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Gesture of Unity
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
There's a great tweet from Devina ( from Ukraine) with 16.5k supporters which includes the following :
This is simply a huge blow and an insult to the Ukrainian people. Such actions made Canada an enemy for Ukraine and I do not know how Canada will be able to wash away this shame! Another backstab from a former ally. Shame on you, Canada!
Ukrainians demand that the Ukrainian authorities summon the Canadian ambassador to Ukraine for an explanation or recall him from Ukraine altogether!
This is simply a huge blow and an insult to the Ukrainian people. Such actions made Canada an enemy for Ukraine and I do not know how Canada will be able to wash away this shame! Another backstab from a former ally. Shame on you, Canada!
Ukrainians demand that the Ukrainian authorities summon the Canadian ambassador to Ukraine for an explanation or recall him from Ukraine altogether!
keybored
Well done. You remember cat good.
Denazification is still going well I see.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
You have to wonder about these groups in Russia and Ukraine ( Canada as well) who insist on putting these things up or naming streets after Nazis and fascists
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Canada memorial to Ukrainian soldiers in Nazi unit removed after protests
Monument has long been a source of tension between Canada’s Ukrainian diaspora and Jewish and Polish communities
TopCat
Putin fanboy
- A coalition of Russians fighting for Ukraine has vowed to continue cross-border raids into Russia. The anti-Putin fighters held a press conference in Kyiv after carrying out armed attacks in Russia’s Belgorod and Kursk border regions. “It’s probably no exaggeration to say we’ve opened up a second front, taking full-scale military action into the enemy territory,” said Denis Nikitin, leader of one of the groups involved, the Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK). The avowed nationalist nicknamed “White Rex” has links to the far right and football hooliganism.
ska invita
back on the other side
Denis Nikitin came up in this Ukraine’s awkward allies: the far-right Russians fighting on Kyiv’s side
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I missed that at the time (September 2023).
This bit hasn’t aged well.
Ukrainian officials suggest that after the full military defeat of Russia and the collapse of the Putin system, RDK and units like it could be part of a pro-Ukrainian force that marches into Russia, perhaps seizing permanent control of parts of Russian territory.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
7 arrested for collaborating with Russian far right RDK
www.rferl.org
Russian telegram Baza also reporting that at an attempted arrest of an RDF member he blew himself up with his grenade
FSB Detains 7 For Alleged Ties To Military Group Fighting With Ukraine
Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) said on March 22 that its officers detained seven men in Moscow on suspicion of collaborating with the so-called Russian Volunteers' Corps (RDK) that has fought alongside Ukraine's armed forces against Russian troops.
www.rferl.org
Russian telegram Baza also reporting that at an attempted arrest of an RDF member he blew himself up with his grenade
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Off to Valhalla7 arrested for collaborating with Russian far right RDK
FSB Detains 7 For Alleged Ties To Military Group Fighting With Ukraine
Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) said on March 22 that its officers detained seven men in Moscow on suspicion of collaborating with the so-called Russian Volunteers' Corps (RDK) that has fought alongside Ukraine's armed forces against Russian troops.
Russian telegram Baza also reporting that at an attempted arrest of an RDF member he blew himself up with his grenade
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
From the Guardian.
Protesters in Kyiv are calling for the release of Ukrainian prisoners of war from the Azov brigade.
Relatives and friends of captured soldiers, some dressed in military clothing, waved placards at passing traffic.
At its inception in 2014, the Azov brigade included far-right volunteers, some with neo-Nazi affiliations. In recent years the brigade has been fully integrated into the Ukrainian military, though some have suggest fits far-right links and symbolism have remained.
Demonstrators in military uniform hold placards forming the words 'Free Azov' during a rally calling on authorities to return their relatives from Russian captivity. Photograph: Sergey Dolzhenko/EPA
Protesters in Kyiv are calling for the release of Ukrainian prisoners of war from the Azov brigade.
Relatives and friends of captured soldiers, some dressed in military clothing, waved placards at passing traffic.
At its inception in 2014, the Azov brigade included far-right volunteers, some with neo-Nazi affiliations. In recent years the brigade has been fully integrated into the Ukrainian military, though some have suggest fits far-right links and symbolism have remained.
Demonstrators in military uniform hold placards forming the words 'Free Azov' during a rally calling on authorities to return their relatives from Russian captivity. Photograph: Sergey Dolzhenko/EPA
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Article on the neo Nazi RVC who want a white Russia
"The whole enterprise is a pet project of Kyrylo Budanov, the head of HUR. As the cross-border raids unfolded last month, Budanov praised the Russian paramilitaries as “good warriors” on a national newscast. “They’ve been helping us since the first day … They have fought in many of Ukraine’s hottest spots. We’re going to try and help them as much as we can,” he said."
"The raids are closely coordinated with the HUR, which provides logistical assistance, vets their operational plans and arms and pays them. "
www.politico.eu
"The whole enterprise is a pet project of Kyrylo Budanov, the head of HUR. As the cross-border raids unfolded last month, Budanov praised the Russian paramilitaries as “good warriors” on a national newscast. “They’ve been helping us since the first day … They have fought in many of Ukraine’s hottest spots. We’re going to try and help them as much as we can,” he said."
"The raids are closely coordinated with the HUR, which provides logistical assistance, vets their operational plans and arms and pays them. "
Ukraine embraces far-right Russian ‘bad guy’ to take the battle to Putin
Germany describes Denis Kapustin as a top neo-Nazi, and his role in the war is a double-edged sword for Kyiv.
www.politico.eu
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yeh but we all know the most obvious characteristic of good nazisArticle on the neo Nazi RVC who want a white Russia
"The whole enterprise is a pet project of Kyrylo Budanov, the head of HUR. As the cross-border raids unfolded last month, Budanov praised the Russian paramilitaries as “good warriors” on a national newscast. “They’ve been helping us since the first day … They have fought in many of Ukraine’s hottest spots. We’re going to try and help them as much as we can,” he said."
"The raids are closely coordinated with the HUR, which provides logistical assistance, vets their operational plans and arms and pays them. "
Ukraine embraces far-right Russian ‘bad guy’ to take the battle to Putin
Germany describes Denis Kapustin as a top neo-Nazi, and his role in the war is a double-edged sword for Kyiv.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Weird if true
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
The growth of the far-right in Europe has been happenng for 30 years or more, but western liberals can now blame it on Putin and Russia generally instead of the multiple slow-burning crises in their own societies.
You can only laugh at this kind of thing. As if conservative and liberal governments, with the craven support of social democrats (where they weren't in office themselves) didn't 'undermine the principles of democracy' across Latin America, Africa and Asia throughout the cold war. When did Putin and Russia last induce a Pinochet-style right-wing military dictatorship in Europe?
'The growth in support and influence for the Putin-supporting far right across Europe, of which Slovakia is the latest country to fall victim, is a grave security risk to the continent. This coalition – which includes the Austrian Freedom party and Marine Le Pen’s National Rally in France – do not view Russia as the acute security risk it is, and are reluctant to support much-needed coordination with Nato on security and defence policy. In the short to medium term, this will leave the EU unable to coordinate essential support for Ukraine – a tragedy for the Ukrainian people. But also in the long term, it will leave European countries vulnerable to foreign hostile interference in all aspects of life – ultimately fundamentally undermining the principles of democracy.'
www.theguardian.com
You can only laugh at this kind of thing. As if conservative and liberal governments, with the craven support of social democrats (where they weren't in office themselves) didn't 'undermine the principles of democracy' across Latin America, Africa and Asia throughout the cold war. When did Putin and Russia last induce a Pinochet-style right-wing military dictatorship in Europe?
'The growth in support and influence for the Putin-supporting far right across Europe, of which Slovakia is the latest country to fall victim, is a grave security risk to the continent. This coalition – which includes the Austrian Freedom party and Marine Le Pen’s National Rally in France – do not view Russia as the acute security risk it is, and are reluctant to support much-needed coordination with Nato on security and defence policy. In the short to medium term, this will leave the EU unable to coordinate essential support for Ukraine – a tragedy for the Ukrainian people. But also in the long term, it will leave European countries vulnerable to foreign hostile interference in all aspects of life – ultimately fundamentally undermining the principles of democracy.'
The pro-Putin far right is on the march across Europe – and it could spell tragedy for Ukraine | Armida van Rij
With Slovakia the latest member to elect a Russia-leaning leader, the EU is increasingly open to hostile interference, says Chatham House’s Armida van Rij
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Serhiy Sternenko -former Right Sector regional leader
Boryslav Bereza -former Right sector
Aleksey Milchakov -Rusich
Dmitry Steshin- former associate of neo Nazi group BORN
Yevgeny Rasskazov -Rusich
Maksym Zhorin - Azov
Ihor Mosiychuk- ex Azov
Andriy Biletsky - Azov
Sergey Korotkikh- Azov
Denis Nikitin- Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK)
Aleksey Lyovkin - Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK)
Artyom Krasnolutsky - ex Wagner now fighting with the Terror Battalion for Ukraine (Kastus Kalinovsky regiment)
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
I think the oppresion of the USSR makes anyone who fought them or was considered bad by them automatically a good guy in some peoples eyes.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I think it’s more ideological support. They admire these fascists and their politics.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The Ukrainian nationalists who sided with the Nazis, joined the SS and who fought the USSR also slaughtered Poles and Jews. In fact they killed more Ukrainians than anyone else.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
They also killed thousands of soldiers in the German army. The hundreds of thousands of ethnic Russians who fought for the Nazis were also pretty murderous. As was the Red Army and the Russian state. Before, during and after WW2. When it comes to it there is precious little point in trying to determine who was the blood thirstiest of participants in Eastern Europe during WW2 or with what motivations.
I agree, we should all stop naming streets after villains and fighters. Mammals, birds and dead poets are far better choices
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not sure how pointing out that the Bandera-ites killed more Ukrainians than they did anyone else is trying to determine who was the bloodiest tbh. In any case with hindsight I think a better reply from myself would have been to ask why and when did the revisionist school of thought on Bandera start and gain traction.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
I disagree but only partly. For some (too many) then yes, but on the whole I'd say it's much more that their legacies have been whitewashed.
RD2003
Got a really fucking shitty attitude
And what's more, Russian Nazis are probably worse than Ukrainian Nazis, seeing as they're Russian.
PTK
Paul Kegan
I am confused. Are you claiming that the Ukrainians who fought for the German Nazis also killed German soldiers? How did that happen?
nogojones
spelling is overrated
There was a mass defection of Ukrainians within the German Auxiliary Police (a charming bunch of lads) to the UPA-B, with all their weapons, who went on to fight German and Russian forces (along with a bit of ethnic cleansing of Polish or Jewish civilians still in the area).
How many of them were previously UPA members who signed up to get access to the weapons is up for grabs, but it's generally considered that it was a conscious effort I believe.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Protest to free the Azov detainess held in Russia
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